Let's just say ThisWiki has had it's fair share of FanDumb at times. The Discontinuity page being only one of many examples.

And HateDumb, too.

{{Battlefield}}, Battlefield, ''Battlefield''. The huge FandomRivalry against CallOfDuty is just ONE of the problems with this abortion of a fanbase.

A big part of the metal music fandom. Every new CD released by any band will be probably hated to hell and backwards for being 'selloff', 'too soft' or 'almost pop'. This is especially visible when dealing with less known, smaller bands, whose music evolve as they gain experience or, gods forbid, ''popularity''. Anyone liking songs from a hit album will be then called a 'poser' and immediatly drowned in hate of the true fans.

ComputerWars and ConsoleWars. Enough said.

The ProfessorLayton fanbase. I am a fan myself, but I cannot stand most of the other fans. Mostly because 90% of the fanbase is comprised of Layton X Luke shippers. And I hate that pairing, mostly because 1. The age difference between Luke and Layton is far too great for it to be possible, and 2. The only canonical relationship either of them had was with a girl. Even worse, all of these Luke X Layton shippers also hate Flora because, apparently, she keeps Luke and Layton away from each other. It ''really'' pisses me off since I'm a Luke X Flora shipper. Also, her haters love to compare her to Princess Peach and Princess Zelda because Flora got kidnapped a few times. Wait, what? That makes no sense. Why? Because she only got kidnapped twice.

''Amen.'' (Female troper here) It's just one more thing that makes me hate YaoiFangirls even more.

Even Luke x Layton shippers think such misogyny is utter nonsense!

The Gundam community is bound to have all sorts of FanDumb owing to its sheer size. The only way to avoid these individuals is to post opinions only on private websites because the more vocal individuals will enter a long debate with you if you happen to disagree with their opinions. Even if you agree with them, they'll go on a long discussion about why they are correct, often stopping to nitpick what aspects you are missing from your own ideas. Following the release of the Gundam 00 movie, a notable member on Anime Suki had a disagreement with the way the plot summary was laid out on a website: #QUOTE#Yavie declares that "Hah, that review is not very good is it...A compillation should not be colored by things that never happened. When including his own theories he should have written that they were just his own thoughts... not tried to make it sound as if they actually happened in the movie."

Apparently, the FanDumb is not limited to shooting down other people's theories, but is also rejecting things that they disagree with. On closer inspection with the review in question, everything written is either an opinion about the movie or did occur within the movie. It is clear that some fans are impossible to satisfy, and it is these fans who adamantly reject what has happened. It's convienient: by claiming the reviewer didn't see the movie, he can make it look like the event in question never happened.

A prime example of the elitist mentality are some of the Japanese fanboys: they overlap with the King/Queen Customer class and believe that any media (''especially'' soundtracks) are rightfully theirs, and as such, are not willing to share them with anyone else.

This troper is rather depressed to discover that he fits the description for Canon Dorf in regards to MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha and its' slow slide into much-hated DarkerAndEdgier territory.

This Troper has the exact opposite tendency, with StrikerS being my favorite season and disliking Vivid as being too childish, silly, and sometimes, just plain stupid. I also have the occasional Monomaniacal tendency.

Name any film by Michael Haneke. Guaranteed one glance at a message board of his where someone dislikes a film of his will be labeled an idiot by the scum and elitist fanbase.

Wes Craven on the 2000 DVD commentary for ''A Nightmare on Elm Street'': "I enjoy going online and reading the reviews and discussions after one of my movies premieres so I can discover what I was trying to say in the script."

This troper once posted to a typical "Best Game of All Time" forum topic. After much deliberation, she decided that OcarinaOfTime was not really her ''favorite'' favorite and cast her vote for another game from the same series. She received a livid reply from one of the dozens who had voted differently, announcing amongst expletives that she was "not a true fan" and a "casual gamer". The kicker was that, when prompted, his reasoning was that all the review sites ''say'' that Ocarina is #1, therefore it's true and anyone who disagrees must be hopelessly out of the loop.

This Troper would argue that if you mean "best game relative to others released at that level of technology," which is really all that's fair, OcarinaOfTime deserves the title of #1 game. But a generic "best game ever" award is more difficult to give out.

MacPhisto concurs. There will never be a definitive "Best Game of All Time", but ''OcarinaOfTime'' is certainly the best for it's time period.

This Editor often nominates Majora's Mask as her favorite Zelda game, not only because it is, but to mess with all the [=OoT=] fans.

This troper would argue that there is a difference between "best game" and "favorite game". I honestly believe that objectively Ocarina is the best game of all time, but I know people who enjoyed A Link to the Past more, and that's not even counting games from other series.

The idea of a "Best Game of All Time" is really stupid. Ocarina is my favorite game, but I can't truly say that its definitively better than so many other great games out there. It's about as impossible as trying to decide the best movie of all time.

With all due respect, I think you're all missing the point. Regardless of whether you think the FanDumb was right for saying ''Ocarina'' was the best game, he was clearly overreacting. Disagreeing with someone is not grounds for verbally assaulting them.

This troper has seen the ugly side of the Fan Dumb of the Pokemon anime. There's an episode in the Hoenn series titled "The Scuffle of Legends" where a big event (Groudon vs Kyogre) is poorly animated. This troper commented on Youtube that he was displeased at how the anime decided to cut corners by using still-frame images to give the indication that events were happening and was relentlessly beat upon by fans who refuse to believe the anime's quality has decreased over the years.

I had a friend whose dad was in a band (they actually played with a not-famous-yet Al Yankovic a few times). He had a madwoman in a wedding gown following him around and trying to marry him. He was already married, and thoroughly creeped out.

While still a fan, I have exiled myself to all but one discussion forum for a particular actor because of FanDumb. You think it's bad when it applies to fiction? Imagine this being directed at a ''real person.'' Since then, I decided that while I might be a huge fan of something, I'll be damned if I ever go near another fandom.

'''The Purist.''' The actor, although in his mid-twenties, was marketed to a young audience so his image was carefully engineered to be squeaky clean. When he hit thirty and decided to move away from that, he dismissed his publicist and was occasionally seen clubbing, drinking, dating around and doing other fun things, and by all appearances, in moderation. The Purists went nuts, declaring that he was a disease-ridden, junkie alcoholic who was totally out of control, and that they were praying and lighting candles for his "recovery." Meanwhile, his perceived "excesses" didn't go beyond anything many other single people his age would be inclined to do, if not milder. He probably did worse stuff when the sparkly image was in play.

'''The Toxic Genius.''' Too many to name.

'''The Strawstuffer.''' The movie he headlined didn't do well? All his fault, despite poor marketing strategy and a degree of ExecutiveMeddling. Girlfriend gone skeletal? All his fault, even though her fans loved to paint her as a strong, independent woman who thought for herself. Dropped out of an Oscar bait movie? It's because he wouldn't know quality if it kicked him in the butt, not because that small role was whittled down to practically a walk-on and he had an escape clause in his contract. And so on and so forth.

'''The Vocal Loyalist.''' Again, too many to name.

'''The Mad Bride.''' One fan that springs to mind actually believed she was in an intense online love affair with him. When that went sour in her head, she became a Vocal Loyalist. To a lesser degree, there were others who claimed to have an "insider" in their pocket who told them all kinds of TMI stuff about him, which always seemed to fit whatever crackpot theory they espoused, and others who were convinced he was reading and taking cues from the discussion forum, even to the point where they were taking credit for things he said in interviews. It got especially precious when two Mad Brides would get into arguments with each other over who's "insider" information was more correct. "My contact said this!" "Oh yeah? Well, MY contact said..."

'''The Insane Avatar.''' May quite possibly be the person the Mad Bride mentioned above was talking to online. Also, there were at least two MySpace users claiming to be him.

'''The Monomaniac.''' The point where The Purist, The Vocal Loyalist and The Mad Bride intersected.

'''The Fragger.''' Some took this to a downright sociopathic degree, to the point of digging up personal, identifying information on a fan they had in the cross-hairs with the intent of threatening or just humiliating that person publicly.

The actor in question wasn't Orlando Bloom, has it?

Yep, that's who it was. I take it you spent some time on his IMDB discussion board.

God, where to even start on this in my accusations!? Well, for starters there was this one duche that joined a forum that I'm a member of and saying that I "Ruined ______ for him" just because I loved it so much, or to the fact that I was heavily intrested in said game/anime/manga/what-the-fuck-ever but never really watched/played/read it. Keep in mind that this female Troper isn't a yaoi fan and will never be.

This troper's friend is a Protectionist when it comes to ''HarryPotter''. When I learned she was a huge fan of the series, I mentioned that I loved it too. Her reaction? "It's MY thing! You can't be as obsessed as me!" She calmed when I told her that I wasn't obsessed, but it still stops me from mentioning the series much around her.

I used to do this with everything I became a fan of, to the point that I started to tell my friends they wouldn't like something before they could even watch/read/listen to it, just so I could remain the biggest fan. After getting my first internet connection(at the age of 12), and finally joining a fandom, I realized how goddamned idiotic I was being. Feeling like you have to be the biggest/only true fan in the world of something is a poisonous, and down-right exhausting feeling!

This troper cannot help but laugh at all those Ne'er do wells who are whining about developers pulling away from the PC due to all the piracy, and yet they admit to having ''never'' paid for a PC game since they learned how to pirate it. AND these include people who petition Blizzard to allow a private server (which is a violation of the Terms of Service) after they give them a cease and desist letter. AND the people who whine about how the company they bought their PC from won't repair it because they upgraded a bunch of parts. AND the banned-from-Xbox-live crowd who thinks that they should have been allowed to mod their Xboxes. AND the people who whine about how the game developers aren't catering to their Softmodding market...when that demographic is usually hated by developers and publishers because they don't usually ''pay''.

''Frostsabre.'' Well to be fair, you ''are'' allowed to take an Xbox or PS3 and mod it; you aren't allowed to take that online. As for private servers 9-3/4 times out of 10 they do dishonorable stuff such as selling overpowered gear on the server, which can be more expensive than having a character on retail WoW. And I've never heard from pirates who claimed not to buy video games. Mention the Humble Indie Bundle and most of them would jump and say "I'll buy it."

This troper tried to play through a friend's copy of Final Fantasy VIII, and was forced to give up in a fit of rage after repeatedly being berated for "playing it wrong." I didn't get to finish the game until a couple years later when I bought my own playstation and a copy of the game.

This troper likes {{ARMA}}. He, however, does not like its fanbase. He's seen idiots hate other {{FPS}}es because, apparently, the single-player campaign's long periods of inactivity, compared to the "instant gratification" and "no learning curve" of other games, make it the best game EVAR! The "if it's not realistic it sucks" crowd is also annoying. -facepalm-

This troper is a fan of a Japanese rock band that is quickly gaining in popularity. She encounters Fan Dumb so frequently that it makes her very embarrassed to even be a fan of said band (even though they are an excellent band), and is only a member of about two LiveJournal communities so she can keep up with the news in regards to the band (being on the other side of the world and not being great at reading Japanese and all). Within this fandom, you will find the Easily Impressed, the Willfully Blind, Chicken Little (esepcially considering half of the Fan Dumb sees the band's label as Satan), the Bloodthirsty Evangelist and the Misplaced Champion, and a number of Mad Brides. The fandom regularly bitches about how much they hate the covers of the latest singles and concert [=DVD=]s, complain how this next song is the WORST EVAR THEY'VE CHANGED TOO MUCH/HAVEN'T CHANGED ENOUGH (never mind that the band has a very distinctive style of song that they do variations on for every album and why aren't people expecting it at this point?), and then once the video comes out, will not stop squeeing about how awesome it is and how, if you dare to dislike it, YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN. Everything any member of the band touches or says is gold - especially the vocalist (who is seen as a creative ~* ~genius~* ~). tl;dr: great band, scary as hell fanbase.

This troper used to have a raving Hate Monger for a LiveJournal friend. Although this person claimed to be a "fan" of a popular manga series, her journal basically consisted of nothing but rants about how much she hated a character called "Hanako" (let's pretend that is the name.) According to her, Hanako is a piece of evil, misogynistic propaganda designed by the mangaka to show young girls that the perfect woman is a submissive ExtremeDoormat with large breasts. Hanako's every interaction with the protagonist was taken as ShipTease, even though their relationship in canon is more of a LikeBrotherAndSister thing. From bashing Hanako alone, the Hate Monger moved onto bashing the Hanako/Protagonist ship and finally the mangaka, digging up quotes from old interviews to "prove" that he is an evil woman-hater. The troper eventually got so fed up that it was one of the reasons why she deleted her journal. Having switched journals, troper now has a new Hate Monger on her friends list, whose current target is ''KamenRiderDouble''. It never ends.

The ''KingdomHearts'' FanDumb seems to be currently ruled by a HateMonger for Kairi, who has written several entire essays on why Kairi is a bitch, and has done her darndest to gather followers and not allow Kairi any fans on a certain forum. When Kairi defenders call her out on this crap elsewhere, she whines about how it's "just her opinion" or "just her view on the games" as a means of copping out of a debate, which she can't really handle without insulting Kairi fans themselves.

Speaking of KingdomHearts and SquareEnix, this troper found a classic case of RuinedForever on DeviantArt. It's fine if you don't like the series/company anymore, but the stamper has made other stamps that essentially say in the description (about the same topic): "If you disagree and/or don't think like me, you're wrong. No wonder this troper is beginning to turn away from the so-called "opinions" of stamp artists on DA!

This troper has yet to encounter any semblance of open-mindedness or even intelligence from pretty much the entire Kingdom Hearts fanbase. It's HateDom fueled by FanDumb: Disagree with this dude on that forum there, you're banned. Don't like that one game over yonder, you're a troll. If you like all the games released, you're a hopeless drone. No matter which road you take, you'll end up pushing ''someone's'' BerserkButton, and the entire community follows suit.

And on the flipside, I've yet to encounter any semblence of intelligence from the KingdomHearts HateDom, either. If you like one game, you're a hapless drone. Say you prefer one game. you're a troll. Say you like the series ''in general'', and you're somehow gay or retarded. And I see idiots who trash the game series merely because ''there are people writing fanfiction or drawing fan art of it''. If they hate stuff merely because of that stuff, then I guess it's safe to say they hate entertainment in general! And I've seen intelligent KingdomHearts fans too, as well as stupid ones so no I'm not just ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow.

There's no such thing as an intelligent Kingdom Hearts fan.

This KH fan troper would like to disagree. I have no reason to think that I'm unintelligent.

I would also like to disagree. What, just because we like a game with a sizable Fan Dumb and/or silly concept means we're all idiots? You're no better then the Hatedom yourself.

Then you're not fans. CONVERSE TIME! [[InsaneTrollLogicBecause there are two types of people: KingdomHearts fans and people who like KingdomHearts.]]

Sensors indicate InsaneTrollLogic.

Have we seriously gone on this long with out mentioning {{Sonic The Hedgehog}}? Sweet Solaris, the amount of Elitists, Toxic Critics, Highbrow Elitists, Strawstuffers, Tinfoilers, Vocal Loyalists, Perfectionists, Chicken Littles, Willfully Blinds, and '''ESPECIALLY''' Oldtimers is simply amazing.

I have been lucky to not be involved with the fucktardery of the Sonic fandom, as the members of the Sonic forum I frequent are mostly intelligent. However, YouTube and DeviantArt are terrible sources of Fan Dumb.

An intelligent Sonic forum? prove it.

Sonic Stadium Message Board.

I go there every now and then. It's certainly a better spot to discuss Sonic then other places, but I have still witnessed some extreme stupidity and immaturity on that forum.

This guy from DeviantArt is the epitome of so many different kinds of Fan Dumb. The Sonic Stadium board can't stand him, and for good reason. He has actually stated that "It's okay to be arrogant when you're right." {{Jerk Ass}}.

Don't jump down my throat for this or anything, but I'm confused as to why this guy has so much hate around him. Yes, he is completely full of himself and disregards what other people have said out of hand for stupid reasons, but... this is the internet. That isn't unique to him, and he's far from the worst I've seen even in just the Sonic community. For his weird little theory he got, it doesn't seem like it deserves all the attention it gets. It makes some good points, it makes some bad points, has a lot of common sense, and more then it's fair share of 'derp' moments too. It really just seems like any other crackpot Sonic fanboy theory on what's wrong with the series and how to "fix" it that you can find in any number of places, even Sonic Stadium. To me at least, it seems like this guy got blown way out of proportion for not doing a whole lot. Unless someone want's to explain how I'm completely blind to the kitten murdering evil this guy apparently posses that I'm not seeing.

'''''...How in the living FUCK does that guy have watchers?!''''' As if that weren't bad enough, he's a {{Hollywood Atheist}}, too.

Come on, Sonic 2006 was ''objectively'' bad! If you ''don't'' hate that you're weird!

Granted, but still.

Objectively? ''Really?''

Levels were glitched almost to the point of unplayability. That's objective, dude.

Uh, no. No that's not. A lot of people say the same thing about Shadow the Hedgehog, yet I went through that without running into a single game-breaking glitch. Glitches also bug some people more then others.

This troper, while a Sonic fan, must admit at first he was did not really think high of the 4Kids VAs. Once I looked back at the potential {{Narm}} in the voices and genuine moments of the Sonic series in general, I enjoyed them as I always did back then. I did not become a member of gaming sites back then and now (except for Mario Kart Wii), but I did remember the huge controversy of the series and decided not to get involve as this will probably worsen things. I usually see good in most things in general currently, but I can still understand some people's view as long as they are at least rational (or at least have a rational tone). As for Sonic 06, I usually like to mess around with it after I beaten the game. Back then, I had minor shades of this, but when I saw some of the fans' statements like "IGN is biased" and stuff like that, I think to myself they are just opinions and they are not that serious.

Sonic 2006's glitches and stuff were bad, this troper will admit, but how could almost no-one have fun with the Purple Shoe Gem glitch were you can infinitely jump in the air? Oh, and the Elise X Sonic shipping hate? I don't care how squicky it is to people, but the constant flaming of Elise for this is WAY outta line. It ''was'' what revived Sonic, and she might not have even liked him that way; she never explicitly stated that she was in love with him. And come on, have you ''seen'' what that poor Woobie has been through? '''Cut her some slack.'''

This female troper just might the rarest thing in the world; a sane Old Timer. I've played the original SonicTheHedgehog on the Mega Drive and has liked 3D games as well. Do keep in mind I can't play the NewGen game due to lack of consoles, but they don't look THAT bad even by my nonexistent hype and standards. She doesn't go to forums because they scare her. She hates most fandoms because they're full of hypocrisy and bullshit. But of course, I live in the middle of nowhere (Balkan). Nobody else sane enough to talk about this. I feel so lonely... but if it means not to be put together with insane people like that, I'm probably better off.

Nah, you ain't alone in this. Hell, just at my troper page if you don't believe me.

Count me in, too. I don't like newer Sonic's as much as the older games (Sonic Adventure 1 and anything before that) but I think the negativity surrounding the franchise went waaaaaaay overboard. I hated Sonic 2006 and I don't really care for Sonic Heroes, but all of the others are at least playable to some degree. That and everyone seems to ignore that the series reception on handhelds have pretty much always been positive.

Goodness Sonic 4 Episode 1...this troper couldn't believe the high amounts of {{Fan Dumb}} that she witnessed...'s

I think this sums it up pretty well

Oh gods Sonic 4. The game that's been dubbed as bad as 06, simply for not being the same as the originals, and being too similar to the originals. Seriously, I've been in fights with people over the game's quality and their arguement had been that it sucks for both at the same time. And I wish it stopped there. People have already declared Sonic Generations the best game ever despite never playing it (I'm apparently a terrible person for pointing out that they don't know whether or not it's good yet, and based on what they usually do they'll end up complaining). There's also the people who declare anyone who thinks the games improved after the original ones, and likes the newer games better is a false fan, while they themselves only like about three games, cause of course you have to hate all the games expect three to be a true fan. Then there's the Adventure fans, who believe that they're a group seperate from the modern and retro fans, and therefore SEGA needs to keep them satisfied with new Adventure games like they're trying to do with the modern and retro fans. Lots of the fans are also extremely sensitive. Saying you don't like a character (usually popular ones) will get you long paragraphes about why they rock and your favorte characters suck, even if what you said was the truth (for example, Amy fans refuse to admit to her being a stalker. They seem to have stalker confused with ninja and say she has to be hidden for it to be stalking. And this troper was banned from SEGA Forums (permanantly, but I got them to let me back on) for calling Bean a duck, because he's not a duck, he's a ''dynamite'' duck.). Deserving a special mention from all these wonderful fans is a guy on the SEGA Forums (the sight's down so I can't post a link at the moment) who believes his opinion is law, even over official Sonic Team members statements, makes long posts about stuff that's barely related to the current discussion (those posts will usually be insults to stuff he doesn't like and has nothing to do with what's being talked about), and uses logic from other games that have no connection what so ever to Sonic in arguements about Sonic games. It's actually so bad that most people on the forums (most of which are already major JerkAsses) basically ignore him.

I'm just going to say it; {{Furry Fandom}}, this troper (Himself a furry) only got into the community about two years ago, and I'm often appaled or stunned by the behavior of furries towards other furries, among other things, let's count all the things I've ran into:

If you're a wolf furry, you're unoriginal (This troper's chosen fursona, I get this a lot).

If you're a fox furry, you're unoriginal and probably gay.

If you're a dragon scalie, you're wierd and probably a voreaphile.

If you're any other kind of scalie, you can just get out.

If you're a bird, real or mythical, exotic or common, your existance is pretty much ignored.

If you're none of the aformentioned, you're a SpecialUniqueSnowflake.

These can mostly be attributed to the fandom's long history of being the punching bags of the internet, they're unwilling and sometimes outright hostile to newcomers, showing a sign of being new to the fandom will at best make people ignore you because teaching you is "Not their problem", and at worst, flame you until you move on because they believe you to be a troll.

This troper remembers one particularly bad case of FanDumb he encountered with a fan of the Archie Sonic comic. He was making a huge, hissy fit over Fiona Fox turning evil and slapping Tails and only got more angry when he read Mobius: 25 Years Later and discovered Tails was married to Mina Mongoose, with no mention of Fiona and was absolutely insistent that the two be an official pair...completely ignoring that Fiona '''never loved Tails to begin with''' (it was a completely one sided romance, with Tails just having a mild, puppy love crush on her) and that the age difference between the two was so great (five years or something, give or take) that even if she did love him back, the relationship would never have worked anyways. Also, this person had no other reason to pair them up ''other'' than that they were both foxes. (did i mention he can't stand seeing pair ups of Tails X Cosmo from SonicX?) Speaking of which, Fiona and Tails have as much chemistry together as gasoline and pancakes-they had virtually NOTHING in common with each other or any reason to have them as an official couple. I have never seen this fool since. Oh, and did i mention that he was so insistent on the pairing, that he tried to justify Fiona turning over to her bad boy Scourge by making up complete, utter fan nonsense like "No, she was brainwashed! She would never turn her back on her love Tails!" even though it was blatantly obvious that she was doing this of her own will and she even ''smiled'' out of sheer pleasure when she slapped Tails, [[HeroicBSOD which shattered the poor fox cub's heart like glass.]] Absolutely, positively, one of the worst examples of FanDumb and/or DieForOurShip (right trope?) i have ''ever'' seen in my life.

This Troper was hesitant in joining the steam forums of TeamFortress2 because of the VocalMinority and elitist pricks... holy shit the elitist pricks... especially the ones the call themselves pro... I blame BileFascination because the drama in there is surprisingly entertaining... that and the SelfDeprecation threads.

Also, Hardcore Tec- ...ahem... Music , has it's share of FanDumb as well, thanks to idiots with limewire- look at the youtube comments on the songs "Ubermensch" by Angerfist & "Earthquake" by Art of Fighters. They're the same damn song, just mixed versions- the former is incorrectly credited, the latter isn't though... even WITH videos that explain this fact, ''the fans still argue over who made it''

This Troper has, in his mind, absolved YokoOno of all responsibility in the downfall of TheBeatles. Rather, he places the blame solely on Linda Eastman. Not that he has anything against Wings (and certainly admires her beliefs in Animal Rights), but Paul became a {{Control Freak}}/{{Jerk Ass}} after they got together.

Right after ''StarWars Episode III: RevengeOfTheSith'' came out, a somewhat famous (and only half-joking) essay, ''The Complex and Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom'', about how real fans completely hate StarWars and everything about it came out, which needless to say, was divisive. #QUOTE#There is a diabolical twist to Star Wars fandom, you see, that defies comprehension, and yet is the life-blood of all Star Wars fans. It is this: #QUOTE#Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.

According to the author in a later essay about the first, the article was inspired by an experience at the premiere of ''Revenge of the Sith'' in which some fans had a costume contest before the show and two kids in a homemade, cardboard-box AT-AT were actually ''booed by the adult "fans".''

This troper, while he likes DonkeyKong64, there was a time he avoided talking about liking it online because of the massive hate for it from purists who hated it for "not being DonkeyKongCountry 4", as well as some of the stupidest reasons like "Donkey Kong doesn't walk as cool as he did in DKC". The hate even extended into the TV series; the purists hating the series not for the SoBadItsGood writing, but hating it because it was CG animated, which "reminded them of DK64". Thankfully, most of that has faded away, as the people who did enjoy it have come out of the woodwork.

This Troper used to be a Monomaniac with some shades of The Willingly Blind towards SonicTheHedgehog. They have both disappeared for the most part, but before I found this site, I became an InternetMimic towards the 3D-haters.

Programming and computer science. ''Good God.'' I can't talk about what I'm studying in this field without people telling me I'm doing it wrong!

"Not being able to [=1CC=] ''ThunderForce III'' is massive failure."

This troper is a part of the ''{{Touhou}}'' fanbase--he plays the games, browses for fanart of the characters, and indulges in the massive laundry list of memes. Yet there are aspects of the fanbase that he's not too fond of, such as some fans' stance on buying the games and the need to compare every other shooter to ''Touhou'' and tell many a [=YouTube=]-using shmup fan to "play touhou!!!1!1!!chen!!!1".

And all of the above is why this troper avoids message boards all together, I just don't have the will, energy, or patience to listen to people tell me I'm either "not a true fan", or "I just don't get it", or I'm "jumping on the bandwagon now that [whatever] is popular now".

This troper learned about Social Distortion's "Story of My Life" thanks to a friend's copy of GuitarHero. So he went on YouTube to have a peek at the video. Then he read the comments. He suspects that anything appearing in those games that is more obscure than TheBeatles has a similar supply of Elitists who mock anyone who learned about it from GuitarHero for being "not true fans", because apparently it's a crime against nature to get interested in things via a different path from these idiots.

This Troper starts out on a great deal of things she adores as FanDumb. Really, really dumb. She has been the Misplaced Champion, The Litter-Bearer, The Monomaniac, the Mad Bride, The Old Timer, The Hate Monger, The Toxic Visionary (which she's actually proud of), and The Perfectionist. Usually, after her ardour for the object of her love has dulled, she becomes a normal fan again, and realises what an idiot/asshole she was being, but by that time...the fandom is just not as much fun anymore. In one example, she was on one side of a broken base, militantly up in arms against the other side and brutally tearing them down for their beliefs...until she wound up doing a little accidental research on the other side's point of view. She switched sides ''immediately''. Another time, in a raging fit of fangirl, she post-bombed a few boards, and wondering at the less-than friendly response, she skulked off into the shadows. Coming back some months later, she re-read her posts...and realised how insane and even demeaning to the creator she sounded. Wut.

This troper doesn't play ''{{Counter-Strike}}: Source'' online, because he's afraid that when he goes into a random, open server, he'll get kicked within 5 minutes for committing the mortal sin of being a {{noob}}.

I just got banned off of some SonicTheHedgehog forum for having the username Cthulhu ( apparently having a "retarded username" is enough to get you banned there). I hadn't even ''said'' anything yet. When I went on the site's IRC, the administrator randomly called me names. I asked about just why my account was banned, he just banned me for no reason. I also read their rules, which had said moderators raging at the users for spoiling parts of Sonic 4. If they were the mods, I'd hate to see the users.

This troper was never a huge yaoi fan, but when she got into DeathNote, she started reading and enjoying LxLight fanfics. Eventually though, the FanDumb became too much (not to mention all the Mello/Matt fics which she ALWAYS hated) and now she doesn't like yaoi at all. In addition, she no longer reads any HarryPotter fanfiction (except for the occasional oneshot) because of this, and once had a person tell her that she 'had no right to call [herself] an anime fan if [she] didn't watch {{Naruto}} (which she hates).

Seeing as there are no Umineko stories on here...I agree that yes, the complaints about the anime ''are'' justified to a certain extent (the one scene that got cut that actually made this troper angry was Battler and Beato's hug in the last episode, but that was about it). But seriously, it's gotten to ridiculous proportions now. Yes, it has cut down on certain scenes for character development. And yes, it did something of a messy job in remembering what it left in and what it cut out. However, I have come across fans who expect the anime to follow every single chapter word-for-word or else it's Ruined Forever. And apparently, using ''the wrong music'' makes it so horrible it isn't even worth watching. And then there are the Discontinuity claims...''ugh.''

And that's not all. This troper read one comment by one fan who said that if ''they'' adapted the VN, they would make it '''56 episodes long so nothing would get cut out.''' Good luck finding the budget for that, buddy!

I can't stand being on Gaia (or any forum, for that matter) and seeing the line "#1 fan of [insert character/show/pairing/what-have-you here]!" in someone's signature, because no matter how intelligent or rational you may be, it is a complete and utter ''lie''. Sure, you may know much more than the average fan, you may have a frighteningly massive collection of pictures and merchandise, and you may be able to quote over half the series/movie/whatever, but as far as I am concerned, there is no "number one fan" for anything. On the other hand, I do admit I'm an incredibly biased fan of rock music. I'm a bit more tactful online (amazing, huh?), but I have a habit of getting angry at people who misname my favourite bands, to the point where if they mistake the band being played for another one I really detest, I'll say "of course it's not that, it doesn't suck". Also admittedly, I'm very involved in anime fandom. I'm ashamed about the things I say sometimes, and each time I get worked up, it takes me at least a day to calm down and think rationally again. I'm honestly trying to get better, but it's very '''hard'''.

This troper facepalms everytime someone trys to deny that Skillet is a Christian rock band despite the explictly religious lyrics to some of their earlier matierial, Word of God (no pun intended), being on Christian radio stations, etc.

This troper can't stand being around forums about ''WanganMidnightMaximumTune'' for more than five minutes. On one board, the thread for the region he's from is chock full of people who you'd guess to be at most 13 flinging flames at each other.

Whatever you do, DO NOT get involved with the Sailor Moon fans. Oh my God, they are terrible. They might act nice, but in truth, they're a bunch of backstabbing attention whores. I was involved with them for about two years until I said enough.

I'm very sorry you had such a bad experience. However, we're not all like that :)

Had recently encountered an example on a forum discussing {{LEGO}} themes. Being a moderator in one of the sub-forums, I had to ask someone to calm down after utilizing the "you're not a fan unless..." argument. He was apparently so angry at LEGO for discontinuing the ''{{Bionicle}}'' line and replacing it with ''Hero Factory'' that he labeled everyone who dared not to hate HF and say something negative about ''Bionicle'' (even if it was a true fact) a hypocrite and an un-true fan, while accusing others for the same things he has committed. Naturally, he took the advises and counter-arguments as insults, and started talking back. When he later offended the forum administrator too, they sent him flying from the board. His next action? Re-register and make his "first" post an insult. We have another LEGO nutcase too, on the same board, this one actively hating ''Bionicle'' and its fans to the point of wishing them death...

Sadly, ThisTroper has, at times, been a part of the FanDumb. Rather ironically this was largely in response to (and then provoking more) other FanDumb. Yes - recursive FanDumb. To explain in detail: I like to muck about with... well just about any setting in which I become interested. Warhammer/WH40k, Warmachine, Star Wars - the list is fairly endless. If I get involved with a fandom I'm going to be looking for oddities, edge cases and general weirdness to exploit for my own amusement. Unfortunately after less-than-polite responses... I became a bit hard-headed and rather than simply post elsewhere on the same topic... continued going as much to irritate the detractors as anything. This alone might have been OK to a point. There is after all a certain satisfaction in continuing on to spite someone who's been less-than-kind to oneself... but I made a rather large jackass of myself in the process; thus going from "Odd guy who feuds with a couple ridiculous people" to "Nobody likes this guy" on a couple forums. Fandumb begets Fandumb begets Fandumb... oi! (Someday I'll learn...)

This troper would like to one day find a ''DwarfFortress'' fan who accepts the intimidating learning curve as a valid excuse to not play instead of going "NO FUCK YOU GO PLAY IT BECAUSE LOSING IS FUN."

Now you have.

To be honest, there isn't a massive learning curve as long as you stick to the basics. If you're trying to build computers to automate your farming system or stuff like that then you're going to hit a massive wall in terms of learning curve. It's possible to make a sustainable force with the very basics, though.

Jeroic sayeth: Beware TheElderScrolls FanDumb especially if you are in the "regular" fandom like myself. There are so many varieties to choose from, too! If you prefer Oblivion, the "Morrowhiners" will gut you. if you prefer Morrowind, the "Oblivion Newbs" will flame you. "Daggerfags" always hate you and any other Daggerfag. That's the games themselves. For the mythology and background lore, if you even mention Michael Kirkbride, Vivec, or CHIM, you'd better prepare for the inevitable flame war between people who view MK as a God, Vivec as his in-Universe avatar (and therefore the God with a capital G, of which TES has none, of the TES canon) and CHIM and related ideas as the absolute truth of TES' mythology and possibly that of the real world; versus the HateDumb of Vivec, CHIM and MK who believe the opposite, with anyone taking a moderate viewpoint flamed by both. Oh, and did I mention that the MK/CHIM/Vivec FanDumb will find a way to turn ANY lore discussion into a discussion about Vivec and CHIM, so this happens ''every single lore thread without exception?'' I didn't? Well, now you know. Further, don't bring up Sovngarde and Bloodmoon around either group, FanDumb or HateDumb, because it will spark another flamewar about whether it "proves" CHIM false or not, or whether the not-elf whose ghost tells you about Sovngarde was just delirious. THAT led to the idea that all afterlives are... ah, well, screw it, it's a real sordid state of affairs for the TES community.

From this troper's experience; he's yet to find proof that intelligent life exists when Tamriel is mentioned. And for the record, '''Elitist'''s don't count. I don't care how educated you are, but if you're so stuck up as to bemoan every single game ever made because "It's not Daggerfall/Morrowind" and you think it's ''developers''' faults, then I truly won't believe you ain't Stupid as a log.

There are mature and friendly ES fans. You just have to find the right forum. The Official Forums, like the Official Forums of any video game, attract the largest number of the biggest idiots. Admittedly, the modding community for both Morrowind and Oblivion (and in many cases Fallout 3, that also being a Bethsoft game on the Oblivion engine) has its share of dramas that it's better to stay on the outside of.

This is Jeroic again. it's been some time since I wrote this tale, and things are different. The Lore section is much more polite and diverse in its discussions now, but since Skyrim is a game in development by Bethesda Game Studios, there is not a single feature shown thus far that has not been taken as "proof" that Bethesda are evil corporate sellouts and that TheElderScrolls is RuinedFOREVER! Mostly it's the purists and Old Timers, but there is literally no manner of FanDumb that you cannot find on the first page of the Skyrim forum on Bethesda's official board. It's gotten so bad the forum is actually ''too stupid to make a drinking game out of.'' You know how Star Wars fans hate Star Wars? Skyrim is looking the same way. The Imperial Library is much nicer.

This troper's experiences in the TenchiMuyo fandom when he first started to really get into anime soured him on fan communities altogether. The sheer amount of hate he got for getting into the show via AdultSwim, for not being in line with either the rabid Ryoko or Aeka lovers(he's a Washuu fan, for the record. Doesn't ship, just likes Washuu), and for having the gall to think that Tenchi in Tokyo was merely mediocre rather than OMGWORSTTHINGEVAR led to him being roundly yelled at by many of the fans. To this day, I only lightly step into any fandom for fear of getting burned by the FanDumb again.

This Troper likes to stay within his circle or reasonable ''WarriorCats'' fans simply because what is outside of it is scary. There are either the young fans, who for the most part aren't too bright, constantly twist the GrayAndGreyMorality into stuff like "that villain is good!" or "that hero is evil!", and don't understand that imperfect characters and a depressing storyline isn't instantly bad writing, as well as a few Megalomaniacs and some TheyChangedItNowItSucks compalaints. Then there are the "true fans": All Purists with a few Old Timers and Vocal Loyalists in there who come together to cover every single variety of the Highbrow Elitist. They are also noticeably blinded by NostalgiaFilter, since as they ruthlessly tear apart the newer books, they don't realise the older books weren't exactly high literature either. And of course, the nauseating amount of FanWank and DracoInLeatherPants-ing directed at their precious Ashfur has completely ruined his character for me. Can't we just ''enjoy'' the freaking books?

This troper has characteristics of the Monomaniac, the Theocrat, the Elitist, the Misplaced Champion, the Bizarro Chicken Little (at least for fandoms of more obscure material), and especially the Litter-Bearer in recent years. Some of it can probably be attributed to my confirmed mental disorders (at least the more anal aspects). The Misplaced Champion and Litter-Bearer aspects definitely date back to being flamed, on the Internet and in real life, for liking the ''StarWars'' prequels; as well as spending too much time on Fandom_Wank and witnessing the FanDumb prevalent in other fandoms.

This troper is a huge fan of Disney, ''HarryPotter'' and ''TheLordOfTheRings'' and has been known to have characteristcs of the Monomaniac and the Misplaced Champion. I'm glad to say I've calmed down a bit after reading stories about ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', ''HannahMontana'' and ''Jonas Brothers'' fangirls taking things a little bit too far. Despite the fact that I'm not... their gendre, I realised that I didn't want to stoop to their level. While I'm still a big fan, I have learnt to accept that not everyone has the same tastes, and people who can't respect the opinions of others, don't deserve to let their own voice be heard. What can I say? ''SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped''.

This troper can be embarrassed to call himself a Disney fan sometimes. I've given up trying to find a post on IMDb that doesn't have one bout of 'my favourite Disney film is better than yours, because you didn't grow up in the 90's' and all that sort of thing.

Speaking of Harry Potter and its infamous FanDumb, this troper is a member of an HP community which mocks said FanDumb. While I have many horror stories from that arena (and I recommend checking out the Fandom Wank Wiki for more info), a recent event stands out. While mocking commenters on a FAP thread who claimed that nobody in their right mind could prefer Bonnie Wright (Ginny's actress) over Emma Watson because Bonnie was fugly, several trolls showed up to attempt to "prove" this. As in, provide objective evidence that a majority of the male population (because of course, only ''male'' opinions matter when it comes to judging female beauty) finds Emma more attractive than Bonnie. Their "evidence"? A Maxim poll that ranked Emma the fourth hottest woman in the world...and Bonnie the sixth. They continued to troll the board for several weeks afterwards, bringing it up in posts completely unrelated to Ginny, before everyone got sick of their misogyny and started screening anonymous comments.

A girl I know hates the ending of Labyrinth because Sarah didn't end up with Jareth and, you know, TOOK CONTROL OF HER OWN LIFE AND TOLD THE ABUSIVE MANIPULATIVE BASTARD THAT HE HAD NO POWER OVER HER.

This Troper is now a semi-Litter Bearer now, appearantly.

Watch any StreetFighter ranked match replay on YouTube where world-famous Daigo Umehara loses. The comment section WILL feature the following comments: "This isn't Daigo!"/"Daigo doesn't lose, this is someone else!"/"Daigo would NEVER lose to *insertnameofotherprofessionalplayerhere*!"

I was once in a chat room on the website of an independent singer (who, as luck would have it, was there that day chatting with us). Though the FanDumb experienced wasn't about the singer. See, I made a refrence to {{Animaniacs}} ("Would someone please stop this man from saying 'Dragon?'"). The mention of dragons set off a guy to constantly shout "TROGDOR!" (Which eventually reached it's cap when the singer herself said "Would someone please stop this man from saying 'Trogdor'?"). Then said Trogdor fan went into a rant about how American cartoons suck and are horribly drawn, and Anime is infintley better, after gushing over ''Trogdor'', whose an ''American cartoon character''. Honestly....

I like HomestarRunner, but Trogdor's definitely not well-drawn.

I disagree with you there.

This troper is quite irritated with the FanDumb of the FullmetalAlchemist fans because ever since FullmetalAlchemist Brotherhood came out everyone automatically tosses out the first series and says the manga adaptation is "better" simply for the sake of following the manga. They don't give the first series any credit when I think that the first series was more emotionally involving, and had a better musical soundtrack, and while it didn't follow the manga, it was by no means bad, but FanDumb makes it out to be horrible. You can't blame it for not following the story when over half of it wasn't written when it was made!

Gotta co-sign on this one. Big time. I don't care if it follows the manga or not. The original series, IMO, is a masterpiece, and even my mom (who could give two rats about anime) enjoys it.

While, yes, I enjoyed Brotherhood a little more, this troper LOVES both series. I don't understand how someone could just give the bird to the original they used to love as soon as the new one comes along.

God, the ''HomestarRunner'' community... The most active forum out there belongs to the Homestar Wiki, and it is currently teeming with overly dramatic Chicken Littles due to the as-yet ongoing SeriesHiatus. Some of them even have suggested holding a ''funeral'' for the series. MST3KMantra much?

This troper was forced to endure a dragon Monomaniac of all things on a forum dedicated to discussing myths and mysteries and the like. Apparently, ''every'' mysterious thing ''ever'' involved dragons in some capacity. Also, every God in every religion is a dragon. Ditto angels. Because, you know, that makes perfect sense.

Hello, certain ShootEmUp-centric forum. Hello, ''{{DeathSmiles}}'' thread of bitching and moaning.

There is a surprising degree of FanDumb for Nancy Farmer's HouseOfTheScorpion; it has a large group of willfully blind monomaniacs, insane avatars and at least one highbrow elitist, (specifically, a toxic visionary). Most of the FanDumb are found posting on Farmer's personal blog, oftentimes claiming to be doing so for an elementary or junior high assignment. Most of these fans claim that this is the only novel they've read and that the experiences the characters in the novel go through parallel their own. Most of them also claim to want to be writers, and were so moved by the book that it "changed their lives forever". These fans also believe they are unique in liking the novel, and that it is only for them. Some of the fans are purists: These fans are the shippers, and also constantly make requests on what the novel should be like, including the title, and plot related elements. The saddest part is likely the fact that these fans ''actually expect'' these requests the be implemented in the novel. One fan named "chandler" goes as far to say: #QUOTE#''[-I love the House of Scorpion but I dont[sic] want to tell you how to write your book but dont[sic] name it God's Ash Tray becuase that name offends me and probley[sic] otheres[sic] and theres[sic] no way im[sic] gona[sic] be able to read it with my parents please-]''

The sad part is most of the FanDumb are (claimed) to be between 11 and 16. They're already acting arrogant and obnoxious even though their education is still incomplete. One kid called Rikin Shah claims to be 12, and, amongst other things, shows signs of a toxic genius. #QUOTE# ''"I'm 12 and we had a poetry unit in school...I wrote a few poems about bio ethical topics and one of my poems were about cloning...For cloning to take place it would take the same species and the original nucleus of the embryo would need to be replaced by the modified nucleus. So theoretically(to current knowledge) a cow wouldn't work to harvest a Clone."''

12 year olds know '''''nothing''''' about bioethics and biological mechanisms in general.

This troper has found that ''{{NetHack}}'' players are just as uptight as ''{{Touhou}}'' players about control schemes: in their eyes, if you're using numpad instead of HJKLYUBN for movement, you're doing it wrong.

Speaking of NetHack, this troper has a nasty habit of claiming that playing NetHack with text glyphs, especially in a command line, is the "only" acceptable way to play. At the end of the day, though, it's totally fine by me if you use tile graphics, but that doesn't mean I won't stop avoiding them like the plague.

This troper used to enjoy ''{{Anime/Monster}}'', despite feeling that it had its share of problems. Granted, most of the fans are decent, polite people. Then there's the FanDumb, which is made up of a bunch of '''Toxic Geniuses'''. Because I didn't parrot their opinion that ''Monster'' was the greatest manga ever or that Kenzo Tenma was the greatest fictional character ever, they talked down to me like I was some kind of uneducated hick. I honestly would have preferred a bunch of profane-spewing loudmouths, because at least '''that''' kind of FanDumb wouldn't have made me doubt myself. One fan in particular (who was not only a toxic genius, but also a very ruthless ''Misplace Champion'') told me that the series was flawless and that only problem was with me because I didn't "get it". On a side note, I'm pretty sure that particular fan had a crush on the lead character; make of that what you will. I still reread the series occasionally, but I don't enjoy it as much and I don't like to talk about it online anymore. ''Sigh.'' Whatever happened to ''live and let live''?

*pats on the back* I'm sorry to hear that. Granted, I believe ''{{Anime/Monster}}'' is one of the best anime/manga out there (note that I said "one of" and not "the") and this troper loves Tenma to death, but fans should respect each others' opinions. I hate to see it ruined for you. :(

The ThatGuyWithTheGlasses forum. Dear God... I managed to pull myself out and stick to this site and LiveJournal when the Chick's "Titanic" review came out, not wanting to go though idiotic threads of people being more obsessed with her new hair than the actual review. My braincells are still in the process of returning and if I had a hat, it would go off to Rob and the other mods for managing to keep their sanity.

Let's face it, if a movie has a place on the IMDb Top 250 list, the odds are, you'll find at least one entry in that film's forum bitching and whining, to the point of trolling, about it being too high the list, or wether or not it belongs there at all. On the other hand you'll ocassionally get people who actually use the list as what they see as a successful arguement as to why their film is the best. So, in some ways, the Top 250 list has its own FanDumb.

This Troper is a Fanfic writer who usually writes Crash Bandicoot & X-Men Evolution, but has delved into Transformers, he created a forum for Crash Bandicoot's Fanfiction Archive & recently joined an X-Men Evolution one based around creating characters, now sure, it seams cool enough, the forum starter & admin seamed nice enough, until in a character's likes & dislikes I wrote {{Deadpool}}, as both this character & Deadpool were used in a fanfic I wrote & worked on oposite teams, now this was the odest moment of my life, they apparently dislike Comic characters, they objected to using Deadpool, quite bluntly, & when I explained why I mentioned him they merely said 'I Don't care, No Deadpool' so then I apologized for doing whater it was I did that upset them & pointed out another user mentioned Maria Hill, followed by being asked 'who the heck' she is, both me & another user explained, causing their next reply to be bluntly & rudely 'I'm the Admin, so what I says goes', I've offered to just make a created character profile for Deadpool in case that will make it better but I'm still waiting for their reply.

The ''StarTrek'' FanDumb is sometimes really hard to live with. Apparently, Voyager was awful because of (among other things) Seven, the "lost in space" plot, and the weak characters. And don't even mention the JJVerse movie if you value your life. Granted, I'm a bit of a Purist, but that doesn't mean that newcomers to the franchise are evil. Heck, I've gotten a lot of people into the original series because of the reboot!

This troper used to be part of a ''{{Supernatural}}'' forum on fanfiction.net where every person was a '''Toxic Genius''' (myself included). The problem was, I grew up and accepted the show for what it is while keeping my opinions, while they didn't. The worst person there was this '''Tinfoiler''' who was also a '''Mad Bride''' for JensenAckles but professed disdain for "screaming fangirls" (I longed to tell her that she was one, but never could). She honestly seemed to feel that any female presence on the show would take away from Sam and Dean and she was incredibly vocal about it (especially about Bela). She became so close with one of the mods that I just had to leave. Also, after awhile, everyone got so spoilerphobic that we couldn't speculate over promos anymore--that was the last straw. But nothing quite beats the '''Bizarro Chicken Little''' I ran across once during the 2007 Writer's Striker who genuinely believed that since the writers were striking, we should've written episode scripts and sent them to Eric Kripke. I was pissed at her ignorance then, but now I think it's hilarious.

The fandumb gets worse- according to those fangirls, if you don't like either Dean/Cas or Dean/Sam, then you're completely evil and homophobic. Oh, and go and mention that your fav character is one of the recurring females? I had one fangirl tell me that I'm not truly a Supernatural fan because I like Bela (yeah, I know, unpopular decision) better than either of the boys, and that I had no right to watch.

Don't forget the fans who transfer the hate of a girl character onto the actress. Geneivere Cortese was hated on because she played Ruby, being called a evil backstabbing slut, because apparently people can't recongize fact from fiction.

My God, I'm afraid to even mention ''Baldur's Gate II'' anymore. I'm a big fan of role-playing games. Western, Japanese, tabletop games, video games - I don't pick favorites, I just like a good story with memorable characters. And ''Baldur's Gate II'' was a damn good story, but its fanbase ten years later, with retroactive CreatorWorship and the NostalgiaFilter in full effect, seems to be about 40% Elitists, 40% Toxic Geniuses and 20% sensible people. Don't even mention to one of them that you enjoy any RPG made after ''Baldur's Gate II''; you're not ''allowed'' to. And whatever you do, don't you dare admit to ever having played and enjoyed a console RPG, you filthy peasant. Ask a die-hard fan of ''Baldur's Gate II'' why they dislike this game or that, and the answer always seems to be some variation on "It isn't ''Baldur's Gate II''."

It's rather ironic how RPG fans are supposed to be incredibly intelligent. Yet whenever I even look at most boards, it's obvious that they can be outsmarted by friggin ''slimes''. Let those fans rot in their puddles of stupidity - It's their own damn fault they're unable to be pleased.

I've had the same thing happen - Only replace "Baldur's Gate II" with "''{{Fallout}}''."

I've been interested in ''TheLegendOfZelda'' timeline theorizing for a while now, but most of the individuals involved seem to have goals that go beyond simply trying to figure out the order that the developers consider the games to have happened in. People will often blatantly ignore developer's statements if they contradict a fan theory, going so far as to deny that the developers ever said that, or were invariably mistranslated by ignorant American publications because it's '''so obvious''' that the one true timeline is the one that the fan supports, despite evidence to the contrary. The sheer obsession that goes on with these people is also almost frightening. Fans will write huge dissertations on the ''Zelda'' timeline as if they were writing a commentary on Homer or a biblical concordance. These people will translate every line of dialogue from the original Japanese and then nitpick on the minor differences between the Japanese and the American version. Some fans will uphold the Japanese text as the one true canon always, while at the same time trying to argue that the American versions of some games are more accurate because they were "obviously" revised before American release. The one consistency between all camps in the timeline debate seems to be that they don't care what the creators of the series think as long as they agree with preconceived fan theories.

Then there's the people who insist that there isn't really a timeline and call people stupid for even thinking so, despite the fact that Word of God has said otherwise time and time again. I feel your pain.

This troper received crap from ''SilentHill'' fans for... loving ''SilentHill3'' and hating, absolutely hating, ''SilentHill2''. I didn't like the setting, I didn't like the story, I didn't find it as scary as other games in the series (it had its moments, certainly), but I did like Maria's scenario, which I found a lot more interesting. Better setting, better story, and even better level design in that mansion, imo. Don't think I'm a "true" fan? I literally bought a PSP just to play ''SilentHillOrigins''. But since fandom is SeriousBusiness, I can't dare have an unpopular point of view.

Any religious text will be full of FanDumb:

First, you have the people who will kill you for either being a hater or never having read the book. For most of its history, Christianity has fit this bill. So does fundamentalist Islam.

Then you have the people who don't ''want'' you to read the book, but instead rely on your interpretation. See medieval Christianity.

Then you have the fan theories. Many border on WordOfDante. Naturally, even the most inane differences in fanon lead to war.

A new religion is born from an old one. ExpandedUniverse or {{Fanfic}}? Expect a war over this, such as the expulsion of Mormons.

An inherent element of following a religion is belief that it is real. Evidence to the contrary may be shoehorned to fit this (polygenesis), denied that there is a contradiction (e.g., Earth on four pillars), or it may be disregarded entirely, set up as a straw man, or even responded to with death threats (evolution, evolution, and evolution).

As a corollary, evidence to the contrary of fan theories (e.g., all languages springing ex nihil at the tower of Babel) will be treated identically.

Have you forgotten the {{Hatedom}} for the whole genre? And while the HateDumb isn't so pronounced outside fiction and the Internet, go on certain websites and you'll see a lot of them. Fact is, anything that elicits strong feelings in humans is going to start a fight. It's why some forums have a BanOnPolitics: politics, religion, racial and ethnic identity, family or personal honor, these things come up and someone's going to start something.

I like to consider myself getting better from this, but I've got my FanDumb moments. First of all, The Protectionist for an entire medium. Why? Because all I've seen of females playing the kinds of games I like leads to SlashFic, and I'm a mild HeteronormativeCrusader. Link ain't gay, Cloud ain't gay, Sonic ain't gay (and I don't want to even see him doing the straight stuff), all characters are straight until proven gay. Except Sephiroth, he's the gayest thing since San Francisco scientists discovered gayness in the ruins of Sodom. Fact is, girls are just different, and I'm uncomfortable with that other way of enjoying the games for certain reasons. This may also make me The Perfectionist. I'm also rather selective about which installments of a series I like: I like the darker Zelda games better than the lighter ones, and you can occasionally find me complaining about WindWaker getting two sequels while the superior TwilightPrincess got none, though I don't hate WindWaker and its sequels by any means; however, that's rather light compared to my lingering bad feelings (misguided as they may be) about ''Pokémon'' Generation 3, which I regard as a mild DorkAge even if I know it really wasn't that bad. I also get defensive of stuff I like when faced with {{Hatedom}}, in particular for Japanese games and {{anime}}, because TrueArtIsForeign.

Of course, I have my HateDumb moments too. In particular, that complaint about the "wrong" Zelda getting sequels? Yeah, pure Andy Titlement. And all {{First Person Shooter}}s are the same except for MetroidPrimeat least try to justify this by saying that my main complaint with the FPS is the unintuitive and unnatural two-stick control scheme, as I'm more used to games with simpler controls where the challenge is what's on the screen, not what's in my hands. Then there's my Crusader-esque hatred of Seth MacFarlane's animated shows.

Another guy here; I've had a few works ruined for me by the knowledge that people were writing slashfic about the main characters. No, I don't want to think about Sonic rogering Tails. Not even a ''little''. I can watch ''RizzoliAndIles'', say, but when people start sexualizing characters from kids shows...?

Yeah, I'm watching the reactions to OtherM unfold, and the only reason I haven't fallen into fan dumb myself, is because of the MST3KMantra. It is tempting to burst a blood vessel trying to make people see things my way, but all that would accomplish is making me look like an idiot and, either way, it isn't going to change anything.

The Wii. The top complaints many people will spew is how Nintendo abandoned their fans for the casuals, how waggle controls will will ruin gaming forever...only now it's MORE ruined thanks to Microsoft's Kinetc and Sony's Move, and how the Wii will always be inferior thanks to Nintendo refusing to add DVD playback, a 1080p upscaler, more hard drive space, etc. On the other side of the spectrum, you have fans who think the Wii is a shining example of perfection with the games and motion controls and how everything Nintendo does is the right choice while ignoring any legit criticisms people have of the Wii or just call them a troll.

This troper might be is asking a bit too much, but just once would he like to see a FinalFantasy6 fan that isn't out to flame and call every single FinalFantasy7 fan a whiny, emo, socially-retarded, YaoiFangirl abortion for just simply living.

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If you want to talk about FanDumb, try the InvaderZim fanbase. It's been established that ''water'' is caustic to Irkens, yet there are hundreds of human-Irken hybrid fancharacters running around.

The ''GurrenLagann'' fanbase. Oh good GOD I've had many problems that fanbase. While I do think GL is a decent series, I found that these fans may possibly be even worse than the ''{{Naruto}}'' Fan Dumb. This Troper has ran into many that will get up in arms of you point out the tiniest thing you didn't like. I've been to a message board saying that I didn't like Kamina that much, and what do they do? The start bashing me and saying I'm not looking at the character well enough. I am aware that there was more to Kamina than his loud personality, but I just didn't really care. Sure he may have been a modest guy at heart but on the outside, he was still an annoying and obnoxious loudmouth. In addition, there are fans who wont stop saying the quotes from Gurren Lagann, whether they be WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM, or YOURS IS THE DRILL THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS or even recite those damned speeches. Sure it was fun at first but then after a while, it started to get real old. Back onto the topic of GL fans getting really defensive, there was a video of some girls disscussing why they disliked Gurren Lagann. While I admit they completely missed the point of the show, the comments from those rabid fanboys were just plain mean spirited and sexist. I'd link the video here, but supposedly, it's deleted from youtube. Just goes to show how psychotic those guys can get.

I can relate. This troper found Kamina annoying at first, but he grew on me. Plus, I don't get all the hate for Rossiu. He was simply desperate to protect the human race. He even felt incredible guilt over it and ''wanted to commit suicide''. The man is a woobie in my eyes.

With no disrespect to the sane fans, the Fosters Home fandom deserves special mention. At least one certain forum seems to go by the following commandments: Never like Cheese, never dislike Wilt, Frankie, or Mac, never like any villain character (aside from Terrence and POSSIBLY the Duchess), never once think the show may have gone downhill at any time, never like Goofball, NEVER EVER like the episode "Imposters Home For Make-Em-Up Pals" or any episode where Frankie is treated like dirt, never bring up most pairings outside of Wilt x Frankie and Khones x Fluffer Nutter, and never ever think of criticising even the dumbest moment on the show, aside from above mentioned episode. Prepare to get your backside tanned or yourself shunned if you break ANY of these commandments. Fun, isn't it? Obviously, the fandom's died down from a couple years back, but for pity's sakes, why so strict?!

I think I know what forum you're talking about and what you say is (was?) on the money. It's part of the reason why I left the fandom and while I already disliked Wilt x Frankie (which is actually a CrackPairing at most and a rant for another day), this forum made me hate it with a passion. And that's only the start of it. Yeah, it was pretty much the Foster fandom's FanDumb Central.

I also seem to remember most people (not all, keep in mind) were quite 'opinionated' about what everyone should and should not like. Spongebob, anime outside of Sailor Moon, and pretty much whatever the higher ups didn't like were frequent punching bags for them. As I said earlier, I haven't checked on the forum in years to see if everything is still like that, but I doubt much has changed since then. You couldn't critique an episode of Foster's at all. You're pretty much expected to shut up and glorify upon how awesome the show is all the time. The only episodes anyone was permitted to criticize is whichever ones the admins themselves disliked, or any episode that 'treated' a particular forum favorite character 'rudely', even if said character did something that would fully warrant such behavior against them. The episode 'Imposter's Home for Make'em up Pals' is probably the crowning example of such. Tell any Frankie fan on there that you like the episode at all, and I doubt you'll see any signs of an intellectual discussion on why the episode isn't bad, in favor of "OMG YOU HAET FRANKIE GTFO RAAAAUGH". Probably the most laughable aspect of the forum was that it represented itself as a 'Foster's Community'. Like, really.

This troper is frankly ''astonished'' that nobody has yet brought up the HalfLife fandom. Dear god... I played Half-Life 2 (well, up to the conclusion of Ravenholm before having to postpone the rest of my playthrough indefinitely), I found it to be on the upper end of average. It certainly had its good moments, and wasn't bad... but I ''despise'' the elitist and superior pricks which apparently comprise the most vocal elements of its fanbase. Mention that you like Halo, CoD or anything else with the gall to not be the awe-inspiringly deep contribution to modern literature that is Half-Life, and you're a lesser being, not fit to exist, who should be ashamed for liking such inferior trash. It doesn't seem to enter their minds that there can be people who can disagree with their opinion and at the same time be intelligent. Half the time, when writing up their essays on how much you suck, they're not even trying to promote the game to you - evidently you've already fallen so deep into damnation that you are not worthy of touching Half-Life with your Halo-dirtied hands. I'm sorry, no, just shut the fuck up and let me enjoy the games I like.

'''''Agreed'''''. I find the HalfLife FanDumb to be worse than the FanDumb for ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' (Which I haven't yet seen!) or ''FinalFantasyVII'' (Which has been gravely exaggerated). Even ''{{Halo}}''. The main reason? They're not subject to FanDumb control as those fandoms are. Say you think those games are anything but Trash and you'll be asked to prove why, and you must properly cite it and write it the way you would write a dissertation. Say something negative about HalfLife, even that you thought it was good but not as good as what everyone said, and you'll be lucky if they don't murder you in your sleep. Not to mention, the Escapist forums is one big FanDumb for HalfLife and HateDumb for Halo - I see people citing reasons that Halo suck as being subjective to flat-out ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch.

Funny, This troper (the first one) also goes to the escapist and you're right - that's where most of my negative experience with Half-life's fanbase comes from. It's probably something to do with the fact that Yahtzee likes it... though these people are above and beyond him when it comes to sheer dumbness.

This troper's heard horror stories about the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom and what they do to people who don't like the series, I heard a story from a friend about how he told a bunch of noisy twilight fangirls that they need to shut up because it's not that good, what do they do? Yank his arm over the booth and bend it down until it ''broke''.

However, the holy mother of god would have to be what happened to me myself, I was at the mall around the release of the new moon movie, so naturally every "woman oriented" store was decked out with posters, cue a sneer of dissapointment, followed by this huge chick in an "I <3 edward" T-shirt walking up and starting to berate me, I tried to be unavoidant, but after a long while of pushing my buttons, I told her to screw off, what did she do next? ''Pull a knife on me'', at this point I said screw chivalry and sweeped her legs out from under her before booking it, thankfully a security guard was watching and came to my aid.

Just read the HowIMetYourMother page. It is positively dripping of Barney/Robin shippers whining about how their favorite couple got screwed over and how Ted Mosby is THE BIGGEST JERKASS EVAR, because he's so much worse of a person, than oh I don't know, Barney. It's a sitcom, people! Get your damn panties out of a wad and enjoy it. I mean, I can at least understand when fans stop watching a comedy because of a DudeNotFunny moment, but because of a relationship? That's really, really pathetic. Really.

You think they're bad? Try ''TheBigBangTheory'' fandom on for size. '''Nothing''' is ever good enough for this show's "fans" -- every week they complain about either there not being enough geek jokes, or about how "the magic has been lost", and it's almost guaranteed that if someone complained about too much Sheldon in last week's episode, that same someone will complain about there being ''not enough Sheldon in the current week's one''. Shark-jump is now called literally ''every week'', for one reason or another. This troper stopped going to Paradox, a large Sheldon/Penny livejournal, when it devolved into a litany of fangirls whining and threatening to stop watching the show (a threat they rarely, if ever, make good on) because it's not going their way -- you know, despite the fact that Sheldon and Penny getting together in reality would be pretty damn insulting to our intelligence. I like the show, it makes my nerdy self and my nerdy boyfriend laugh just fine, and neither of us like to argue with anyone, so we find it's best to avoid this show's true fans.

JillBug's grandfather briefly worked at BBC Radio during the '70s. When a popular character on ''TheArchers'' was killed off, many none-too-bright fans contacted the station to express their condolences, ask where the funeral was held, or whether they could send tributes. Perhaps they thought the show was a documentary?

I have an annoying friend who will instantly LOVE a game so much as it's made by {{Sega}}. He grew up with the genesis so i guess it's half justified but he'll scream at me if I have so much as 1 [-small-] complaint. He also hates anything else too

As a fanfic writer, I've had to deal with Fan Dumb. In one {{Batman Beyond}} fic, I had Terry and Dana break up with absolutely no angst involved; in fact, they were laughing hard enough over the circumstances that Terry's healing ribs were hurting. I was actually threatened over this- even though those two spent half their screen time fighting and had broken up more than once during the run of the show. The stupid, it burns.

Why isn't TheEscapist mentioned here? How do so many good writers attract so many frothing misogynistic morons? This female troper is literally afraid to sign up on that forum.

You shouldn't. I've felt physical pain while reading some of those threads. You just ''know'' that if Yahtzee mystersiously started praising Nintendo and Square-Enix, whilst slamming Valve, everyone would mysteriously have all sorts of pleasant memories and experiences with Nintendo games while citing reasons ''HalfLife'' sucks that are ''clearly nothing more than opinion''.

I admit I just don't get it when someone claims a piece of fan fiction left their favorite game/book/etc. RuinedFOREVER. I mean, it's ''fan fiction''. Someone else's opinions or fantasies don't render your own thoughts invalid, much less change the actual canon.

That's also present in HateDumb, too.

The PC Gaming FanDumb is filled with highbrow elitism. I do know there are PC gamers who aren't just PC FanDumb / Console HateDumb, but it seems for however many people who use ''both'' formats, there are at least two straw Patricians who believe that their format makes them more intelligent than playing with another and that anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid and should feel bad about it amongst other insults.

As a PC gamer i know that the cycle is self perpetuating most PC players are fairly quiet about it but there are still quite afew small names with huge bulging egos the size of Azathoth.

I've been a gamer for a pretty long time now, and this one really bugs me. Partly because I can't for the life of me figure out where it started. Most people I know are reasonable enough, and for that matter most people I know, like myself, play both console and PC games, with little thought given to which is "better." And then there are those other people. The ones who claim that all console gamers (or "kiddies," as the popular term seems to be, because your choice of gaming platform somehow reflects your age) are a bunch of knuckle-dragging FPS fans, despite the fact that, until the current console generation, you could really only play an FPS ''on a PC'', simply due to the limitations of the technology. It gets even worse when you get into role-playing games. Apparently the quality of an RPG or even whether it should be called an RPG or not is dependent not upon its story or characters -- in other words, the ability to ''play a role'' in an established narrative -- but upon the sheer amount of number-crunching and stat management required. Basically, complexity equals quality, and anything that doesn't ''require'' a keyboard and mouse is an inferior product for stupid children. Oddly enough, I rarely see such broad insults aimed at PC gamers from the other side of the supposed "war." Sure, console gamers can be idiotic in plenty other ways, but it's very rare to hear one of them insult a PC gamer for his choice of gaming platform.

I don't have much of an opinion on Justin Bieber, but his fans are freaking ''terrifying.'' If someone insults him or even so much as says they're not impressed, a slew of videos and Tweets are posted full of violence and death threats. One girl detailed how she was going to hit another girl in the face with a wine bottle because the other girl joked that she wasn't into the Bieb anymore. Another bunch Tweeted that they were glad Lily Allen had a miscarriage because apparently Allen once said something about him that they didn't like. A post to OverheardInNewYork had a boy of about three telling his mother that he didn't like Bieber anymore. Sadly, I would not be surprised if a rash of videos and Tweets come out wishing death on a freaking toddler. Look, I get that some fangirls can be overwrought and invest a whole lot of time and emotion into the object of their affection, but there's a line between "devoted" and "the cops need to check this girl's basement for that hiker that went missing."

Where have these rabid fans been hanging out? Because I've actually seen a lot more rabid ''haters'' than Fans.

There's quite a few of them on YouTube and Twitter.

I see more HateDumb of JustinBieber than I do FanDumb.

IMO, the dumbness seems equally distributed between fans and haters. The FanDumb people often seem to love him for his {{Bishonen}}ness and delayed puberty. The HateDumb people hate him for the exact reason, regularly due to some jealousy of his ChickMagnet factor. And then there's his music: FanDumb means that you don't really care about his music, but {{Squee}} about his "cute" appearance all the time. HateDumb means that you keep complaining about his terrible music even when nobody forces you to listen to it.

After reading some messages on VideoGame forums, it quite frankly surprises me how many King customers there are and how many fans flat out fail business forever. People who work in game companies have to have a place to sleep at night, materials to work with, and they have to put food on the table. This is a ''business'' - they need to make a profit to survive.

The .hack fandom. How such a small fandom can have so much FanDumb boggles the mind. If they aren't dismissing future developments as RuinedFOREVER and making essays about what CyberConnect2 should have done to make it suck less ''long before said-development is even out'' (which I sadly admit I have been guilty of), they're a grotesque hybrid of the Mad Bride and Hate Monger.

Special mention goes to poor Atoli and Alkaid. Dear god, these two may as well be the poster children for both FanDumb AND HateDumb. To describe Atoli's fans as a HypocriticalFandom would only be scratching the surface. Alkaid's fans are calmer, but innocent they are not. That's just the admiration part of spectrum.

Oh, and be careful when you say you ship Haseo with someone other than their preferred girl. Some Haseo/Alkaid fans have not had their rabies shots. Some Haseo/Atoli fans have been known to attack regardless of rabies shots. If you like Shino in any way, please be sure to take extra safety precautions.

The number of {{Pixar}} fans who want BradBird to skip his 1906 project and move on to TheIncredibles 2 is really exasperating, the ones that want Pixar to skip every project they've planned for it are just as bad, if not worse. This troper can honestly forsee an UnpleasableFanbase that rivals ThePrincessAndTheFrog.

Speaking of Pixar, this troper is a longtime Pixar fangirl who has witnessed quite her fair share of Fan Dumb on a forum she's inhabited for years now. Pixar makes the best movies out there and anyone who says otherwise is DUMB. Pixar has never made a less-than-groundbreaking film and anyone who says otherwise is DUMB (or, alternatively, anyone that wasn't shaking their head in shame at this person's least favorite Pixar movie, most often Cars, is DUMB) Pixar is the greatest studio, nay, ''company'' out there, and anyone who says otherwise is DUMB. Anyone who likes the Mother Company, much less *gasp* prefers them over Pixar, or doesn't credit all their recent successes to Pixar, is DUMB and has no taste. Need I go on?

Ironically, the same is true for vehement fans of the company that inspires Pixar the most, StudioGhibli. Fans who will tar and feather you if you even ''insinuate'' that a Ghibli film has flaws? CHECK. Fans who gladly spit on other acclaimed artists/animation studios in order to prove that there is no one who can rival the spotless Miyazaki and the Holy Land of Ghibli? CHECK. (And when these rabid fans make such bold, truthful declarations, they are also inadvertently insulting films such as {{Persepolis}} and WaltzWithBashir). I may be a fan of Ghibli as well, but the smug, obnoxious portion of the fandom is LONG overdue for a slap on the wrist from saner fans.

This troper is surprised at how the main theme of ''WanderingSon'' goes completely past the fandom's head; it's about two {{Transsexual}} children, not two crossdressing children. Nitori is a girl, and Takatsuki a boy. Fans often seem like they're out for a shock factor when they describe the series.

This troper actually coined the Litter-Bearer fandumb sub-type back a couple years ago as a newbie troper based on his experiences with the pro wrestling fandom - in particular, WWF/WWE fans. I was criticizing some big generic hoss who didn't last very long, it may have been Heindenreich, and a litter-bear countered with the argument that "you can't call Heindenreich talentless, Vince hired him and I think he knows a lot more about what makes a wrestler good than you". This after said hoss in question had botched continually during a match and legitimately injured his jobber opponent. He proceeded to opine that no fan knew anything about wrestling and so they should all like exactly what Vince, as the most successful promoter, told them to like. He may have been trolling, this particular poster liked to play devil's advocate (although he was a devoted Vince defender already), but he attracted a good half dozen supporters who all happily agreed that they were witless, undeserving of having opinions, and proud that they reacted exactly as they were told to.

Nintendo fans. Dear lord. So much King Customer mentality as they cry how Nintendo abandoned them for the casuals and feel they should be entitled to more games suited for them just because they think they know what it takes to make a good game. Metroid fans are probably the least offensive out of all the Nintendo franchises and that's just putting it kindly. I was actually labeled as a blind fanboy for actually liking MetroidOtherM just because I didn't jump on the hate filled bandwagon and for actually directing their blame for the game's changes to the guy who was the co-creator of the Metroid series (they blamed Team Ninja, who only did the programming and not the directing).

This troper thinks a lot of people don't really know how game development works. For starters; I notice a lot of (But not all of) people's complains about how "Easy" games are were stuff that's actually FakeDifficulty or merely from a lack of experience/genre savviness. I always found it strange how the people who ''just'' started gaming had difficulty with ''SuperMarioGalaxy'' when the HateDumb was saying that it held your hand through and was impossible not to lose because they thought it was so easy and that the people who went through it so quickly were almost always the people who've been playing for years. Not to mention a lot of people just need to sit down and take a freaking business class and don't realize that they're not the sole demographic out there. Developers aren't like some kind of omnipotent all-knowing cabal who knows who ''all'' of their customers are. They don't know if you're someone who's in their 40s and has been playing since arcades or if you're a 12 year old who was just given a game system for Christmas and doesn't even know ''what'' makes Mario so super. Not to mention a lot of people don't seem to realize that not every game is going to be just like their favourite. Yeah, I was surprised by ''ValkyrieProfileCovenantOfThePlume'' because it had some stuff I loved from ''TacticsOgre'' in it, but if it was ''exactly'' like ''TacticsOgre'' then it'd just be a remake of ''TacticsOgre'' with the ''ValkyrieProfile'' license slapped on it for...no good reason. It doesn't seem like people realize that sometimes; they're the reason some games are so "bad" to them.

This LP of Prime 3 has a lot of complaining about Other M, but Slowbeef openly acknowledges that any blame can be laid at the feet of the series' creator as much as Team Ninja, if not more so. While he produced the Prime series, he ''directed'' Other M. Yes, that's right, the most popular games in the series, the ones the fanboys like, are some of the ones he was ''least'' involved in.

The KeroroGunso fandom. That is all.

Smart Phone Wars (ex. iPhone, Droid, etc) Similar to the ComputerWars and ConsoleWars, It seems having something like a smart phone instills this chemical reaction that causes snobbery.

Adding to the technology example above, the Linux community is sadly full of those... People complaining that "Ubuntu has it too easy for the n00bs", "Linux is selling itself to EVIL CAPITALISTS!!!" etc etc... To be fair, this happens (in different ways) with Mac and Windows too.

A personal story: After watching {{The Nostalgia Critic}}'s tribute to {{Animaniacs}}, I blamed Tom Ruegger for mixing up Akom and TMS's names (Akom was mentioned durring a shot of TMS' footage) and actually complained about it on another site. Cue one embarassed 16 year old getting berated by Mr. Ruegger himself on said message board. (It was in actually, one of the show's other writers who mixed up the names).

This troper's mother is something of a protectionist when it come to the Lord of the Rings. As such, this troper is typing this entry after she was sent to her room and told to go to bed for not wanting to watch it. Just to further demonstrate how juvenile my mother was, this troper is 16.

Regarding ''FinalCrisis'', there's some intense debate over whether should've shot Darkseid. Specifically, whether he should've used a gun. For some reason, there are people who think that a guy who doesn't use guns and doesn't kill should stick to those promises even when the entire Multiverse is at stake. They also claim that if he ''had'' to shoot Darkseid, then it "should've worked", since people who break vows in a last ditch effort to try and save all of existence should automatically succeed.

What is it with the ''{{Metroi}}d: OtherM'' fans? I can understand if you liked the game, but there's no need to strawman the claims of the people who disliked it. For example, some complained that they found Samus too whiny and insecure, and her portrayal inconsistent with previous games. Your response is to claim that they want her to be stoic and robotic, and to claim that she shows no personality in any of the previous games at all, which is simply not true. (''Fusion'' alone...) She's had plenty of characterization, it's just been a lot more subtle than Other M's "being under Adam's command gave me butterflies in my stomach."

Some people (most notably the British) tend to get pretty infuriated when an American company exports (or what the British say "steals") a British franchise to America. First of all to all you FanDumb and HateDumb, the original creators and the American creators agreed to it and pay loyalties to do so (Or in some cases like Ricky Gervais and Simon Cowell, the original creators bring the show(s) to America themselves) which means they have every right to do so. The other involves a DoubleStandard in which a British (or some other country's) work gets exported to another country or especially if an American franchise gets exported to Britain or another country, nobody complains about it.

There's also the inversion of this, in which a work that is SoBadItsGood, ItsPopularNowItSucks, etc. in which the country of origin will be hell bent on distancing themselves from it. For example, American says: ''"Blame Canada for JustinBieber!"'' Canadian rebuts: ''"No he's yours now!''''

It's funny that the American versions of TheXFactor, WhoWantsToBeAMillionaire, etc. has gotten hate mainly because "It's not the British version." Funny that this doesn't happen to other nations.

Of course mis-blaming or mis-crediting a entire country for one person's work is not very wise.

The ''Vocaloid'' fandom. My god, the Vocaloid fandom. We have misguided purists who refuse to acknowledge any Vocaloid who isn't Japanese (including Leon, who was the first Vocaloid ''period''), mad bride/grooms who obsess over one Vocaloid and insist all others are crap, shippers who complain endlessly whenever a song that doesn't feature their ship becomes popular, elitists who think only certain producers (or themselves) know how to use the software "properly"... the list goes on and on.

I'm a Vocaloid fan myself, I don't mind people disagreeing with my tastes in Vocaloids or pairings, but I'm not very open in discussions about the latter, especially when Len and Rin are involved. I get worried that bringing up my favorite pairing will result in an InternetCounterattack. My {{OTP}}, by the way? It's / Luka.

This troper is not a major Vocaloid fan, but has listened to a few of the (better) songs. Although I have met some nice people from the fandom, and I'm sure not everyone who likes Vocaloid is like this... but the majority seem to be nothing but perverted elitist "thou shalt agree with me" types of people more or less bent on everyone worshiping their usually-less-than-impressive work. A certain Vocaloid forum comes to mind...

This trope is why this troper (wow, that's a little redundant-sounding...) is reluctant to admit in public that he is a professional sports fan. I won't say the problem is most sports fans, but the most vocal of those I have encountered are judgmental and hostile toward their team in a way that I can't imagine they would ever be toward a person they were more closely connected to, and act as though they are entitled to a win and any loss is squarely on their team being terrible, not on the other team playing well (or a little bad luck). The last game I attended, the home team (read: us) lost by one point, after an incredibly solid game, and were still roundly booed by the fans around me; the person sitting behind me didn't speak during the good plays, and complained about any tiny mistake (and the mistakes that game were quite tiny). As a person who suffers from social anxiety and is kind of extra-sensitive even beyond that, I don't read my team's Facebook page, or really talk to most fans about the game anymore; I find myself getting sad about it when my team loses, but only because I hate knowing that a reaction like this is coming. Of course, this could be fandumb on my part for wanting to insist on enjoying the wins and good seasons and just shrugging off the losses and bad seasons...an idea which is even more depressing.

This troper fanboyed ''CrimzonClover'' a little too hard in a Fora discussion involving ''{{Touhou}}''. As such I'm doing what any Fan Dumb-class gamer should be doing with their favorite game(s): Deleting it.

I have seen a Youtube comment about ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 3'' which bashed the game because he believes that Atari ruined the series. One of his complaints was that the coaster designing is stiff, which ''is'' a legitimate complaint...but criticized another person who said he liked the game, saying "I bet you only like it because it has full [=3D=] graphics

I used to run one of those Character Review services and had to shut it down because of all the users who went crazy at me because I didn't fawn over their KatekyoHitmanReborn MarySues. One particularly teeth-grinding example was a girl who's OC was Bel's 'maid' with a suspiciously Japanese name (despite Bel being so obviously ''not''). Upon recieving critique she flew into a rage and accused me of being a jealous Bel fangirl who wanted him all to myself. Yeah, I think I'll pass. Scarily enough, this isn't that uncommon. What is it about this fandom that attracts all the crazies?

I recently discovered this article made by some FanDumb of FriendshipIsMagic. I'm sorry, I can't keep going, I'm too busy speaking {{Angrish}} now at how petty the author who wrote this is.

This Trope doesn't want to but has to bring up {{Pokemon}}, which due to size has FanDumb of every type in every language it's been translated in. Ship wars, anime purists, game purists, metagamers, Stop Having Fun Guys, manga verse lovers, card game devotees, collectors, cosplayers, there's jerks in every single group. All of them are convinced some other part of the fandom is ruining the fandom for everyone. But if you'd like to see the entire group rally against you, say you liked HeyYouPikachu or PokemonTrozei. Or say you don't love Misty. The debate on which names to use alone could fill this page. Fanfic writers have their own vicious sub-levels of hate going on where the writers of insert genre or pairing here are clealy inferior fans. And if you say you liked the original 150 best, the forum will divide into Camp You Are Old and Camp You Are Right overnight. I haven't even brushed the surface here, but it's just so complicated that, like the Harry Potter fandom, an overview is really impossible.

Amen

This troper used to like yuri/shoujo-ai. You know, anime lesbians. After some observing on how the fanbase act like, he hates it with passion.

Ever since SOCOM 4's release on the PS3, there have been a VocalMinority of SOCOM fans who won't stop at nothing but prove that 2 is the apex of the series and that 4 is the absolute black sheep of the franchise. Truthfully, the critical reception is mixed at best. SOCOM 4 doesn't do enough to stand out from the crowd of tactical shooters, but it's still decent and playable. Try telling that to the SOCOM fans only attached to the second game. They're holding petitions, they're screaming out what changes they want to SOCOM 4 (mostly to make it a more polished version of SOCOM 2), and spreading SOCOM 4 hate propaganda to any possible forum that even marginally discusses SOCOM 4, like Amazon. The fact that developer Zipper recently had 33 layoffs further exacerbated this situation, and only reaffirmed the fans' opinions that SOCOM 4 is a steaming pile of turd that's a disgrace to the series. Nevermind the fact that Zipper has a pretty good track record of listening to fan complaints, has done a decent job supporting their other shooter game (M.A.G.), and hasn't exactly had the easiest time to see how SOCOM 4 fares online, thanks to the nearly 4-week long PSN outage. As a troper who actually enjoys SOCOM 4 but hated 3 with an absolute passion (mainly because it was a poor man's Battlefield), it's getting extremely annoying to justify my love for the game without getting bashed by SOCOM 2 enthusiasts left and right.

The FanDumb for Linux. I got kicked out of IRC chatrooms for saying I didn't have a Linux-based OS.

I have voluntarily left some Linux chatrooms/forums due to some FanDumb, despite being a Linux user myself. Some people seem to think that, unless you're using Linux the same way they use it, you are just a Noob which does not deserve to use their blessed operating system.

The {{Fallout}} fansite No Mutants Allowed ''is'' this trope. They refused to accept Fallout 3 as a sequel due to gameplay and extremely minor style changes (which ironically brought it closer to the style of the original Fallout than Fallout 2 was), coupled with the fact that it wasn't the Van Buren project that died several years before release and that it wasn't being made by the dead Black Isle studio. They then went on to absoluteness ''adore'' Fallout New Vegas, a game with the exact same gameplay and style, simply because the development team mostly came from Black Isle. Que {{facepalm}}.

I don't know if it happens in other countries much, but it seems there are those here in UK that take watching their soaps as SeriousBusiness. Even to the point where they hate an actor/actress for something their character has done. Sending hate mail and even harassing them in public by yelling abuse at them. Another thing that this troper gets confused about is people that believe posting a comment on youtube for the official video of some famous singer will mean that singer will read it (let alone then do what's said in the comment as in watching a video they've uploaded and help them get a record deal).

RENTheads. Dear God, RENTheads...(for the record, this troper loves RENT but the fans are scary).

Is it me or are the Left4Dead fans complete morons? Aside from them bitching about Valve Time when it comes to new content, people say that Cold Stream, a campaign made by mapper outside of Valve and is being introduced into the game itself as main content, should be completely scrapped because their little darling 3rd party campaign favorites are much better and how much Cold Stream sucks. This is all while ignoring the fact that a dev from Valve said many times that Cold Stream is in BETA and was released as such so that the community can give feedback on how the campaign can be improved. What do people do instead? Bitch that Cold Stream is garbage and demand that the L4D1 maps be released NOW. On top of this, people keep suggesting ridiculous ideas for how VS mode could be "balanced" when all their ideas really show is buffing the zombie characters to a high degree so that they can kill the survivors faster, but if you even dare to call them out on this, they will call you a casual gamer who is ruining the game!

The ''MadokaMagica'' fandom, at least during the series' run when fans would post spoilers on Twitter without warning. It made having friends who watch ''Madoka'' difficult, if you're not fully caught up.

I enjoy ''AxisPowersHetalia''...but mostly as a jab at world countries and history. Just...don't expose me to the fandom in general for too long.

I have a few moments of Fan Dumb myself, mostly as a protectionist. At one time, I felt that mainstream super hero comics and table top R P Gs are the exclusive provenance of my own exact demographic: mid-twenties to something less than forty years old, male, and sort of second generation fans with parents or other older relatives having brought them into the hobby. Never mind that the hobby can't grow if these young 'uns who are doing it all wrong don't enter the hobby.

The tornado siren fandom (mainly based on The Siren Board). Petty rivalry, snobbery, hypocrisy, general intolerance, and a somewhat scary 80's "go with the popular guy" mentality, this troper was disappointed when he joined that forum, supposedly dedicated to discussion about sirens, but instead found constant arguing, petty opinions, and much whinging over the laughable "karma" system. Same thing on Youtube, only replace "karma" with video views. Did we mention you won't go one week without seeing someone throw up an argument? Egad. And just to make things more laughable, the main group usually goes around trolling and spewing nonsense on a typical basis, and then they get angry when no one important listens to them.

The ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' fandom is out of control. Out of many animes that have large online fanbases (Naruto, Bleach, APH, etc.), Yu-Gi-Oh has by far the highest concentration of OMG SQUEEE!!1! yaoi fangirls. It's ridiculous how poorly thought out any fan work is. I'm a bit terrified to ever look at anything Yu-Gi-Oh related because it has a 99.98% chance of being of a shameless self-insert mary-sue or something that makes me pity people in gay relationships because some people actually think it works like that. The .02% of the fanwork that is actually worth your time then attracts the rest of the fandom that flames you for speaking constructively with the creator. NOTE: The Abridged Series is not always included in the FanDumb.

This Troper was, for the most part, pretty cool with the AxisPowersHetalia fandom, no matter how crazy it could get. I stayed away from the more fanservicey and squee-flled communities, but I let the fangirls have their fun- until HetaliaBloodbath2010 hit, and someone actually threatened Himaruya with ''rape'' if he didn't update. Guys, he has a family, and a job. He doesn't exist just to make comics for you. And even if he did, that would ''still'' not be an appropriate thing to say, as a joke or otherwise. I still participate in the fandom, but there's a slight undercurrent of dsgust with the knowledge that these people exist within it.

''WorldOfDarkness'' has a huge FanDumb, and they're one of the worst cases because unlike a lot of other FanDumb, are not subject to the same amounts of Fandom control. Say you like D&D 4th edition and you get flamed. People who mindlessly enjoy ''WorldOfDarkness'' are likewise given a free pass. They're also full of Genre Aliens and Highbrow Elitists, insisting that ''every'' tabletop game should use rules or settings from ''WorldOfDarkness'', and many people insisting that other settings (especially ''Changeling'') are "not dark enough" and "dark" in this case basically means blood, death, gore, sex, violence, rape, and stuff classified as "mature" for the sake of having it. I've seen people refuse to play tabletop games merely becaus ethey aren't absolute clones of ''WorldOfDarkness'', or only give stuff like DC RP a chance if they use ''WorldOfDarkness'' rules and essentially make it DC RP InNameOnly.

The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' FanDumb. While this troper is not a FanHater and is respectful when referring to the series despite not liking it, it bears mentioning that the dumber portion of the fandom (and even some neutral parties!) always class people who don't like the books into this category and this category only- rabid, raging haters. Never once do they think, "The haters are probably NotSoDifferent from everyone else, they just get bothered by something in the books." No, it's always "Everyone who identifies as a Twilight hater is obviously a FanHater[=/=]Rabid, screaming, violent mobster who rages at anything to do with Twilight/someone who just hates it because hating it is "what the cool kids were doing" who more often than not hasn't even read it/FoeYay fans who need to get lives beyond bashing a book..." etc. While a small portion of the {{Hatedom}} is a HateDumb, none of these accusations have any evidence supporting them to prove that the hatedom as a whole is like that. Not to mention that the alleged faults are '''''so''''' exaggerated to hell that it's now considered "what the cool kids are doing" to bash the haters. The following lines are from this very wiki:

Internet Backdraft: Pity the poor people who take a neutral stance on the books, then mention to the diehards or the haters that they think the series is "okay". is convinced that anyone who hates a book wants to kill you for saying anything more than "It was okay." [[BigWrong WRONG! ]]

Love It or Hate It: Those who love it, really, really love it. Those who hate it, really, really hate it. Also wrong! StopBeingStereotypical!

The Woobie: Robert Pattinson. The man took a role he didn't like for a decent paycheck and the chance to work with his celebrity crush, and in return is stalked by fans and raged at by haters. CriticalResearchFailure! Haters pity the guy for taking the role, not rage at him!

End long rant- what I mean to say is that just because a VocalMinority of a Hatedom is a HateDumb doesn't mean that all haters are like that, something the FanDumb just can't seem to recognize.

I can't read the "VocalMinority is HateDumb" with a straight face...that's one of the biggest {{Understatement}}s of the year. FoeYay doesn't even ''begin'' to describe most of the people who hate Twilight. I honestly want to tell them one thing: '''''Move. On.''''' The more you trash Twilight, the more you advertise it for free. Yes, people ''DO'' try things out out of BileFascination.

Some of the FanDumb around ''LeagueOfLegends''. Yeah, there's the whole StopHavingFunGuys thing, but some of them also act...way too entitled for their own good. There were rumours and a lot of signs pointing to Leona, the Radiant Dawn being released on July 7th and then July 8th. However, she was delayed and of course people were mad, but one of the silliest comments I've read was "We've waited too long for Leona". Uhm...Hello? Lee Sin the Blind Monk and The Monkey King would like to have a word with you - Lee Sin was intended to be a champion ''in the beta''. He didn't come out until ''2011''. And the monkey King was announced ''before Orianna even was''. Leona was announced when, Late May-early June?

Huh this troper is surprised that no one has brought up Halo. Well let me do my best to describe that tornado of unreasonableness and InsaneTrollLogic. Now this troper has only played 3, ODST, Reach and Wars so he doesn't know anything about CE and 2 that much,( Hell that's unforgivable sin number one ) so if you have anything on those feel free to slap them on. People complain how 3 is so much better than Reach, as in, they will never shut up about it, saying that Bungie has destroyed the series. Now while they are entitled to not like Reach, their arguments (and responses to people disagreeing with them) are stupid beyond belief and worthy of this page. They say that it isn't competitive elements in Reach, I guess they never played Arena that's a nightmare for casual players. They say that it is too easy to rank up and you don't have to get your skill up, even thought only the most competitive and skillful of players could get anywhere above 30, this troper getting stuck at 35 before giving up. They say that the bloom is stupid and is based on luck which isn't the truth guns with bloom still take skill If you're at close range you spray wildly while at a range you must pace your shots,I get the feeling that they are just lousy with the new version and they were better with the old version They say it sucks because the BR isn't in it and the DMR sucks...really? These people are so shallow that they say a game sucks just because one gun from an old game got replaced...ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? The DMR isn't even that different from the BR, it's semi-automatic, has a slightly bigger clip in terms of how many times you can pull the trigger, and it takes five shots to the head to kill instead of four thats it. That these people are serious just makes me... GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH sorry sorry, the lack of common sense here just drives me over the edge. Should you happen to come across one of these fanboys only point these facts out if you want to be called a 4 year old that sucks at Halo 3, accused of never having played CE (I guess that's supposed to be an insult and before you ask, yes someone said that to me online, when I said I thought Reach was better, he said I had probably never played CE. We're dealing with people who think that they're the REAL Halo fans) or a COD fan. That last bit is kind of hypocritical seeing as most COD haters criticize it for being repetitive while these people are complaining about Reach for one reason and one reason alone I'm not sure weather to try and learn to play COD and get out of this shitstorm, apologize to Bungie for all the shit they had to go through, or pray for 343 Industries because of the UnpleasableFanbase they are now dealing with. "Sigh" Nowadays I'm kind of ashamed to be a Halo fan.

MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic. How shall I count the examples?

'''Monomaniacs'''. Guys? Monomaniacs in ''any'' fandom are really creepy and disturbing. Stop it. If you don't want people thinking you're a bunch of obsessed people, then StopBeingStereotypical.

It is okay to recommend the show to a friend. It is ''not'' okay to repeatedly badger them when they show no interest. It is ''not'' okay to repeatedly ask if they saw the latest episode when they've said they haven't seen it. It is ''not'' okay to keep on bothering them over and over again to see the show. "No" means "No".

Stop linking me to MLP fan art, pictures of the show, demotivational posters, photoshopped pictures of your own original pony, contests on art sites to win free fan art, artists taking commissions of MLP fan stuff, etc. I have told you on ''numerous'' occasions that I am ''NOT'' interested in the show. I'm going to start blocking you if you keep on doing it.

Quit trolling games like ''LeagueOfLegends'' or ''TeamFortress2'' with "Brony" characters. I'm seeing people on the tribunal for ''LeagueOfLegends'' being reported for "MLP Crap" or "Brony troll". You're not funny. You're just annoying.

Not liking the show does not mean you are gay. It does not mean you are deprived. It does not mean you are uncultured. It just means that you are someone who doesn't like My Little Pony.

StopBeingStereotypical.

I can usually tolerate FanDumb, mostly because the vast majority of women I know who love Literature/{{Twilight}} and JustinBieber are very intelligent and down-to-earth people, maybe even more so than me, which itself is a nice reminder that FanDumb is a VocalMinority. The sort that really gets under my skin though are the '''Old Timers''', the elitist snobs who believe that children, teens and young-adults can't appreciate a film or a music album because they weren't alive when either the film was in cinemas or when the band or singer was performing live. Couple of cases in point: before and after Toy Story 3 came out, people were waxing the nostalgic about seeing the first two films in cinema, which isn't bad. But then there came the comments deriding children for not having to wait 11 years in between 2 and 3. Another example is a YouTube review that an 18-year-old did for {{Terminator}} 2, he got chewed out by a troll saying that he was too young to have seen it in cinemas and therefore wasn't qualified to review it. The reason why it annoys me, even when it's not directed at me, is because I'm a huge fan of Animation and it all started with watching {{Fantasia}} when I was 2 and a half, a film which is 48 years older than me and as much as I love TheLionKing, Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast and Pixar's movies, (all made during my lifetime) I probably wouldn't appreciate animation if I'd been introduced to it through any other film. I guess what makes it more disheartening is that these people are clearly old enough to know better, and the fact that being born in a different generation is apparently such a cardinal sin takes from elitist to disgustingly pretentious. There's NostalgiaFilter, then there's this...