I am at both ends of the trope. I get pissed whenever someone's two feet outside of a Dispenser's healing range and they call for a Medic, yet people get pissed when I ask them if it would be better to move our sentries from the spawn area (still a stupid place for sentries) to our Intelligence and rant about it.

I actually beat one of these guys in DeadorAlive one year in an anime convention, and ran into him again the next year, same con. When he asked someone a question, I answered him, and he goes, "Sorry, I was talking to him.", and had this snarky, annoyed attitude. The next day of the con, I ran into him again, going against his friend in another game. It was bad enough I never played the game before and was getting my butt kicked, but Mr. StopHavingFunGuys was helping my opponent beat me by giving him commands. When I lost, he sticks his hand out for the controller and says, "Give it here". And no one said/noticed a thing.

This is why this troper quit WoW. Everyone was quite like this.

This troper was on a nice Team Fortress 2 arena server. One of the mods kept whining about how the server was being shut down if they couldn't get $16 ("That's so much money!") I had a credit gift card lying around with a couple of bucks on it, and I told the mod he could get those bucks -- IF he convinced me. I specified: "By 'convince' I mean give me some BS condition you could never fulfil -- like adding a Velociraptor class." The mod started bitching me out for not being charitable, and proceeded to say I should just go kill myself. He didn't get those cashes.

I actually knew a Stop Having Fun Guy for Donkey Kong 64, of all games. I didn't own the game myself (I think I rented it once or twice), but almost every Sunday after church, I used to go to someone's house to play it. The parents had two kids, who I liked to play DK64 Multiplayer with. Unfortunately, they had an annoying neighbor who came over one afternoon. At first, he was just normal. He asked to play with us, and we agreed. We did Monkey Smash, and whn it was on the Character Select, he spent nearly half of our playtime laughing at them and claiming "they sucked" because they didn't unlock Krusha. He finally agreed to play with us. He was DK, I was Diddy, the others were Lanky and Tiny. He laughed at us more for picking "the worst characters in the game". Cue food projectiles being shot at him, all at the same time. After which he said: "I would have beat you if I had Krusha!"

The fact is, he's right. Krusha is PurposefullyOverpowered- his basic gun has blast damage.

This Troper most likely comes off as this when playing MagicTheGathering, but that certainly isn't his intention. It comes down to playing with any opponent, whether in a tourney round or for funsies, and stopping them whenever he sees a gross mistake to ask, as politely as humanly as possible, "Would you like to be a better Magic player?" Reactions vary widely, but I pick up very quickly on whom it is appropriate with, and whom it is not. I make exceptions when actively engaging a real StopHavingFunGuy, waiting until I have won the round to ask. For best results, ask during Draft.

You come off as one because you sound like a condescending jerk, to be honest. Rather than asking during play, which is very disrespectful, you should go over to them afterward, when other people aren't going to be watching you, and ''then'' politely ask "hey, I saw you made such-and-such mistake over there. Not to say you're bad or anything, but would you like to meet up sometime and practice the game?" ''That'' is how you do it.

Honestly, it's how I'd like to be treated during local tourneys/fun games. Regionals+ I'd stay quiet, but some of the best mistakes I learn not to make twice are the ones my opponent spots first.

That still doesn't change the fact that you're being rude and patronizing. That may be how ''you'' want to be treated, but everyone does not think the same as you (surprise!) and, y'know, might get offended at someone publicly insulting their skills. And yes, that is what you are doing. Don't deny it.

I haven't denied that fact.

This troper was very, dangerously close to become one back when Smash Bros 64 was the rage, and we always played in Hyrule Castle (the closest that game has to a Final Destination), items off and 3 stock. Thankfully we grew out of it and started liking a bit more randomness. Thing is, surfing the web I stumbled upon David Sirlin and his articles (Playing to Win, and etc) and was remembered of my young days. 'Wow, this guy is so full of it', was my initial reaction. After a good reading session, one thing was clear: no one can always win. So next time we play I'll remember to throw up some matches I would have clearly won, because no one wants to piss off his/her friend group and turn into a 'fucking friends, who fucking wants them' guy.

Just to drive the point home, when I say 'throw up the match' I mean 'not playing to my fullest', in the off case I meet that Street Fighter playing little girl he stumbled upon once. Because she could grow to be a GamerChick good enough to hand me my ass when I am old and wrinkly and she grows BoobsOfSteel. Is there a trope for that?

Just to say, the 'old master' trope where the seasoned, old warrior is still stronger than the young, new recruits is never applicable to Real Life. Let's see how you combo your way out of that girl's grasp when you have 40 year old fingers and she hasn't.

So 40-year-olds can't keep themselves in shape, huh?

This Troper is not much of a StopHavingFunGuy. The most advice I'll give you usually relates to changing movesets as well as manually changing stats with the use of pills found in the Veilstone Department Store. But asking me for advice on natures and breeding? I will speak no more.

This troper had a borderline case of this with a friend, in that while he exhibited all the outward symptoms, he didn't have the attitude. He enjoyed SSBB, had a passable strategy for each character, kicked ass, but requested no items and playing more often on the more boring stages. However, he didn't have the attitude that his methods were superior.

This troper had a severe case of this happen with the GuitarHero series. A friend of mine at the time offered to help me get better at the game (I had been playing on Medium without a problem, but I was having problems with the transition to Hard). I shouldn't have taken the offer; it was less like the casual training I was expecting and more like the TrainingFromHell. He forced me to play the hardest songs on the highest difficulty and expect me to survive somehow, criticising every little thing I didn't do exactly like him, tried to explain things I already knew in the rudest possible way, and he made the entire thing out to be more serious than it really was. It was so stressful, that I sold off my copy of Guitar Hero the next day, and after a few months, I switched to RockBand (Which that friend hated with a passion, so he wouldn't try to play with me)

This troper and his guitarist friends are a subversion where we will play along with whatever song is being played in GuitarHero on our guitars. Not to mock whoever's playing, but more because they are rocking songs for good reason and it adds to the atmosphere a lot.

The Stop Having Fun Guy problem has gotten so bad for this troper, she has stopped playing games where you actually have to talk with other people entirely, and she only roleplays with her close friends. If she plays a game where you have to, she tries to avoid conversation and just be as efficient as possible for her teammates while having as much fun as she can. If she spots a Stop Having Fun Guy, she kills him off while he rants. She finds it more efficient than ranting back, since that'd make her get killed. Although she sometimes worries that, in the times that she does rant back, she's being a Stop Having Fun Guy ''about having fun''.

Subverted with this troper's friend, who hosts ''Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune'' tournaments with handicap turned on. Said friend's reasoning is that due to the presence of Goddamned Traffic in the highway courses, handicap is necessary to prevent a mistake that less of the player's fault and more of a hard-to-see-and-dodge traffic car from ruining his or her chances of winning. Actually, for that matter, the ''WMMT'' scene in general is a subversion--one of the best time attack players outside of Japan actually finds it ''boring'' to play versus matches with handicap turned off.

The same troper is quitting ''Maximum Tune'', because of people who think that if you're not within 3 seconds of a world record that you're a complete {{Scrub}}, as well as drama in his region.

One of this troper's close friends fits the bill. When playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl over [=WiFi=], she would always use one character (Link, so I guess she gets points for not using a top-tier...), only ever go to one stage (you guessed it, Final Destination), would complain if the troper wanted items on because they made it "unbalanced" and "unfair"... and would actually get mad at him, because he almost-always puts his player as "random" (he's good with most-anyone now!) and she didn't like how it meant that the rounds weren't all-uniform. Yeesh... This troper actually got so sick of these conditions that, if nothing else, he point-blank ''refuses'' to play on Final Destination if items are off (if they're on, fine, but...).

I think your friends fits more as a scrub, i recomend you to move your example to the Scrub's troper tales.

Necromander laughs at anyone who uses the tier system. I play as Link (Who is on the lowest possible tier), and regularly beat every top-tier characters. The amount of verbal abuse I get is incredible. One person even tried to get my address so he could call the cops on me.

I say, tiers do exist, but do you know how many varieties of them are?! Yes, I will always play with items, whoever I want, wherever I want! I do agree though, the verbal abuse is rather stupid, considering it is just a game- Oh wait I forgot, for some of these people who should be doing something good for society, Melee/Brawl is what pays the bills, puts food on the table, and is a lot bigger than religion itself... Seriously, why would people take a game that's about Mario beating the crap out of Kirby while Pit puts an arrow into Snake's butt while he's chokeslamming Wario who's farting next to Falco so seriously?

I follow tiers... most of the time. Kirby will always be on par with Meta Knight for me.

Same here. I describe myself (jokingly) as "the master of Kirb Fu" since I've played him since the original- which leads to my tale. I was playing a tournament at my college for fun, after having not played in months. People were amused at first when they saw I was playing Kirby, but soon they saw why. And then I beat one of the organizers, a really competitive full-of-himself guy like the trope with Kirby... and then the whole group of organizers basically made so much noise during my next match by shouting as loud as they could and turning up noises on other [=TVs=] to way-too-high levels in order to make it distracting (and they were jeering the whole time too)... I left because I wasn't having fun anymore and didn't want to go into berserker mode, and yet they had the audacity to tell me it was my fault.

This troper once had a friend who pretty much breathed this trope. Every time we played Melee, the rules always had to be 3 (or 4) stock, no items, final destination. I got sick of playing with him altogether because of this (he didn't really compromise and was one of those people who thought that way was the only way to play Smash Bros).

The fun thing with that is that Final Destination isn't exactly a perfectly balanced stage either. It's flat and completely free. Which means things like projectiles and chain-grabs have a great advantage there. Then there's the fact that the shape can block someone under the stage when they should be able to grab the ledge. oh! Did I mention a perfect chain-grab is unavoidable untill one player is thrown down the stage. Not a problem for everyone, but some character will find Fox a pain to fight.

[[{{Stickmeister0}}I]] could be one of the prime examples of how Tiers do not exist. I always play as Toon Link, but I also find myself playing as Wario more often. However, I'm much better with Toon Link, and abuse his instant meteor smash and versatile charge smashes whenever I can. Wario, on the other hand, I play worse with. His recovery is decent (but it's terrible in you need to go upwards rather than the side) and he tends to be too predictable. Wario is in the best tier and Toon Link is in a lower tier.

I don't care for ''tiers'', you might as well be saying '[=LULZ1=] DEZ GUISE ROOL SIMPLY CAUSE DEY CAN SPAM/OHK' In Brawl, I main Ike (yes, I like Ike. and yes, I had to say that, and no, its not in ''that'' way either.), who, according to the latest shit fest of a tier, is in the second to last tier, making him slightly better than what the serious tournament players consider to be absolute shit :yet they will completely flip their shit if you thoroughly rape and humiliate them with a bottom tier character. Granted, I've only played with friends, all of whom, thankfully, fully realize that ITS JUST A FUCKING GAME. Yes they all have their favorites, but they dont say that one is superior to another. I have turned Ike's regular side smash into an art form, at least among my friends. It is very satisfying to hit someone whos got around 30% damage with a fully charged side smash, right as they avoid either a feint or, in the case of 4 player confusion, '''roll right into it''' and send them flying all the way to the Wall of Death off screen. I have actually been complimented on this several time by friends, simply because they know how fucked you are if you miss with said attack. In an attempt to justify Ike's low ranking in the tier, its ''due to his extremely sluggish and punishable moves (forcing an over-reliance on opponents' mistakes to gain kills) and predictable recovery resulting in poor matchups.'' Which is bullshit considering that Meta Knight is ranked first for various reasons, which strangely, doesnt include the fact that one of his attacks can be spammed relatively quickly... Apparently, speed-attack strength-skill=FUCKING WIN while, slow+ strong+ skill needed+ easily fucked over=FUCKING SHIT. I can seriously start ranting really badly about tiers, so I'll just stop now and leave it at this.

Tiers only apply to high-level play, which means that they do not have any substantial effect on your typical non-tourney player.

This, this, a thousand times this. You need to remember that the listed tiers are only accurate under tournament rules, and assume a tournament level of skill and knowledge. Under ''any other ruleset'', they cease to be accurate.

This troperette likes to play as Zelda. Fact is, she likes to play as anyone at all, except for Mario, since he's a little too popular for my tastes. Now, she has a video-gamer friend who is one of these. "FOX! FINAL DESTINATION! NO ITEMS!" is practically his motto. The last time he tried that on me... #QUOTE#'''Me:''' I get it, I get it, you think that playing Fox in Final Destination with no items is the pinnacle! Well, I say, heck with it! I want Zelda in Pictochat and I want to throw how many Pokeballs at my opponent without caring! So shut up and let me do this my way, or YOU! ARE! BANNED! FROM! PLAYING! FOX!

CrowningMomentOfAwesome in my opinion. I think I sounded like a scrub there.

I think I might be one of these types but never knew it until I read this site. I always play SSB games on final destination with 3 stock and no items because it's the most balanced and fair. I never realized the game had tiers or there was such a large amount of animosity on the subject, it's just what I've always found the most enjoyable way to play.

This troper's had an experience on one site of an extreme SHFG, who was sadly, and clearly unsaveably, 13. The problem with this example was that almost the rest of the site was rather much indifferent to Tournaments (tiers was a much bigger debate), or supported one side, but was much better about arguing. And then he came along. I'm talking about a young boy who was so decidedly psychotic that he has been quoted as saying things such as "I play so when I beat an guy I can say 'U SUCK NOOB!' and when I lose I can say 'FUCK YOU FAGGOT!'" and "I'M GONNA CUT OFF MY OWN COCK AND HOPE KARMA SWINGS AROUND AND MAKES ME BETTER AT SMASH!" He was obviously banned eventually and has since become a bit of a meme on the site.

This troper knows a LOT of SSBB SHFGs in real life. Most of them around around my brothers age (13-14 years or so) and think they're hot stuff just because they use Meta Knight and can win against newbies on WiFi. This troper and his brother (Captain Falcon and Ike users, respecitvely) take a great deal of amusement from laying into their Meta Knights three-nil and watching the EPIC RAEG flow. Tip for you CF players who want to really get under their skin: Sacred Combo all the way, baby.

One word. TIERS. ARE. FOR. QUEERS.

One of this troper's friends is also... kind of borderline. He prefers playing with no items, Final Destination, 3 stock, etc., but he's usually willing to compromise, which means 6 or 7 lives, items on "Low", and some other stages. Mind you, he usually manages to kick my @$$, whether it's 3 or 10 lives, so... yeah. But then again, I tend to insist on about 9 or 10 lives, but I'm also willing to compromise. ...Does this actually count?

During This Troper's embryonic role-playing phase on AOL, he started up a ''GundamWing''-themed game. The general focus was simply to enjoy the setting and have fun interacting with fellow fans. Of course, within weeks, several people whose games had their own complex system of stats, upgrading, and other "serious" touches were mocking me, inviting me to chats with the express purpose of ambushing me in battle, and one person even challenging me to a duel for ownership of my own group. Several years later, I still engage in this type of game, albeit on a message board, and I still refuse to make complex stat systems. And guess what? I'm having fun, guys. :)

If you created the game, wouldn't that have made you the GM? At that point I would have arbitrarily declared that the GurrenLagann showed up, curbstomped all those assholes, and then vanished.

"'''ROCKS-FALL-EVERYONE-DIES-KICK!'''"

Nah, you gotta keep it in-theme. Have Turn A do it. ^_^

Unfortunately I didn't know about Turn A back then (and GL didn't exist yet). Either way it all turned out good in the end since that RP was how I met my girlfriend.

This Troper once attended a SupremeCommander tournament and found a Stop Having Fun Guy bragging about how he'd found the 'ultimate opening build'. When asked about the conspicuous lack of early anti-air defence seen in the first round, his responce was 'Air units waste resources and you'll lose before they're ready. Every noob knows that!" This Troper, drawn against him next, offered a mutually agreed change of the rules: we'd play a huge, perfectly flat all-land map, start with fixed spawns in opposite corners, and both play the same faction to be perfectly fair. The SHFG was laughing as he started the game... Until this troper used a well-known tactic involving a one-aircraft rush to cripple his defenseless early economy, then mopped him up in a third of the time allotted to the match. The look on his face when he watched the replay - seeing that his 'perfect' plan had a gaping, completely legitimate hole - was priceless.

That happened to this troper playing an online match of CommandAndConquer Generals. One player in the lobby was boasting about his strategy that was guaranteed to win in ten minutes. The flaw? He had NO anti-air or anti-infantry until nine minutes in. Guess who pulled off a Chinook Rush and captured that players base? He was spamming chat about how I cheated for the rest of the game. :)

Same thing happened to this troper. Except that, once the SHFG shook off his surprise, he admitted his mistake and made changes to his strategy. Said SHFG has now stopped being one and is this troper's best friend. :)

This troper was one in {{Tekken}}, using only Yoshimitsu. Most of the bouts were either {{curb stomp battle}}s or stalemates against fellow {{stop having fun guys}}. Then he found the feature which randomizes your character or your entire team, revealing it only at the loading screen. And then there's Mokujin who switches movesets every round..

This troper has a friend who often takes her offhand, RuleOfFunny hyperbolic remarks ("Oh my god, I totally need glasses!" "Is it possible to get high off tap water?") and systematically deconstructs them in terms of actual science or math.

This troper got into a quick campaign in Left4Dead and became an incapacitated character along with a downed bot. The other two guys refused to help us get up. Why? They wanted to kill the bots (there were two before I joined) so they could unlock some achievements. They did free me from the closet during the finale when I told them I could handle my own. They were apparently going for the achievement you earn for taking no friendly fire damage ever or not receiving damage during rescue. Since after one them hurt the other with a pipe bomb, they wanted to ''start the whole level over again'' just because they missed out on the achievement. This troper quickly left, knowing that since he wasn't quite an expert at the game yet, they'd either yell at me or kick me from the game.

This troper, while not knowing the game, contends that based on the above explanation this is more a flaw in the game design than the players' fault. The kind of player that goes for 100% completion is some games is often the same kind of player that tries to get as many achievement points as they can manage. It's not that they think people playing the game in other ways are bad (some do, but far from all), they simply have fun with the game in other ways. The design flaw here is putting these players together, which usually means that those players have to fight over who gets to have their fun this time, and who has to do something they consider a boring waste of time.

Some people also take Left 4 Dead way too seriously. People on GameFAQs rage about people who hinder their team. It's true that you do got the slow players out there, but these guys go above and beyond, ranting about how much people fail in VS as a Boomer or Tank just because they didn't get everyone in one shot or just plain missed. One person even went on to say how effective rushing the levels are and have insulted people who try to point out the flaws in rushing levels and thinks they can't comprehend the rush strategy. Example: #QUOTE# '''Guy:''' The faster you complete the level, the less you get swarmed and the less dependent you are on supplies. #QUOTE# '''Me:''' Rushing doesn't always work. You'll just bypass supplies that you might need in case of an emergency. #QUOTE# '''Another guy:''' Rushing won't work well unless everyone on the team is doing it. #QUOTE# '''Guy:''' (Takes our quotes and rearranges them to respond in a snarky tone) Then the team needs to get in gear and keep up. Faster you beat the level, the quicker you get to play others. Really, do I need to make this any more simpler?

The funny thing is, Mr. Let's-Rush-The-Level Guy is exactly half right. On Advanced in the original ''{{Left 4 Dead}}'', my usual team had representatives of two competing styles, a turtle (the veteran, who knew every spot to camp during rushes) and a rabbit (the freaking fastest motherf-- ... well, he was quick, and a pretty solid FPS player to start with). When both of them played to their normal inclinations, the rabbit would get jumped by a hunter half a kilometer ahead of the rest of the team, who would then be overwhelmed; when everyone turtled, we'd get through the levels slowly and reliably, and when everyone rabbited ... we'd get through the levels quickly and reliably. Turtling is easier when you have newbies on the team, but if everyone is capable, rabbiting works just fine. At least on Advanced. I'm no Expert.

Actually the guy is completely right. The only problem seems to be that he used a snarky tone when dismissing the remarks about the simple point he was making. From here it doesn't seem to be the case that he asserts that this is the only way to play the game either.

This troper was unfortunate enough to be stuck with a group of {{Munchkin}}s on his first two years playing ''DungeonsAndDragons''. One in particular almost destroyed my love of the game by constantly boasting about how his character could kill my character (no matter what campaign we were in) and nit-picking my character builds. At one point, the min-maxing got so bad that the party's average AC was so high (and, to compensate, the AC of the monsters was also high) that ''no-one could hit anything for several rounds''. The really stupid thing was that even though this group would craft all kinds of hideously overpowered monstrosities using material from expansion books (such as ''Complete Divine''), they bitterly detested psionics and the ''{{Eberron}}'' setting for being "broken".

Wow, that's the exact opposite of what happened to one group of D&D that I got the hell away from. This troper was bored to hell with the basic cookie-cutter classes like sorcerer and wizards and that stuff, and he actually wanted to play a Wu Jen in one campaign. Now it wasn't an Oriental adventures campaign but he really really wanted to play this because it felt new and yet still familiar to him. And he even thought of a good backstory to explain why this wu jen is in Ye olde British Isles and yet guess what? The Dungeonmaster told him that they couldn't use anything from an expansion book because "They just clog up and overcomplicate the game". :| And then two other players prestige into prestige classes found in the ''Complete Divine'' book while one person prestiged into a '''player made class she downloaded from the internet!!!''' Double Standard and stop having fun guys, much?

Whenever this troper ({{GentlemanThief7}} again) plays XBox Live with his cousin, especially Halo 3, his cousin sometimes becomes a SHHG - scolding him whenever this troper messes up - while the troper becomes somewhat of a Scrub - laughing maniacally whenever he messes up, which usually causes something horribly bad to happen to at least one of the teams -, although because we balance each other out, this almost always turns out good. For example: my cousin gives me the big guns and explosives - usually while telling me that I am the LAST person he would trust them to - and I create a diversion by rushing in and taking out as many enemies as I can, while he comes in and flanks them. Fun, AND effective, since I can come across as an OmnicidalManiac whenever I play video games.

This troper has to keep the fact that he plays ''{{Touhou}}'' on a Sega Saturn controller (one of the most reputable controllers for 2D gaming, mind you) a secret, due to people telling him that it plays better with a keyboard.

This troper's also been yelled at for being an even bigger tard than console players for playing handhelds the most. So maybe I wanna play something on a long bus ride or over lunchbreak or I don't have the time to sit down and play stuff like Left 4 Dead. And maybe I don't want to rape my laptop's batteries playing Warcraft.

This troper was watching a lets play of Advance wars 1 from Slimkirby, though not a SHFG Himself, He hates them, saying that they should die, Amen Slim, Amen

but outlawing the use of Grit, Colin, Hawke, Eagle and what else does not make you a SHFG, Intelligent (Defense) System's themselve's Banned the use of Caulder in Internet play in DOR/DC

This troper has actually seen one of these types standing next to a DanceDanceRevolution machine in an arcade shouting about the evils of using the bar. Yeah, 'cause we all know that method works so well for the religious Fundamentalists. So this troper intentionally went on the machine and latched onto the bar for his entire game just to annoy the guy.

There was a guy who used to frequent where I played that would literally smack your hand if you reached back for the bar. This led to him being punched out in the parking lot later that day when he smacked a guy who was attempting one of the Oni records in Extreme. Guy never came back again.

This troper was forbidden from bringing a character from another roleplay of his into the mansion because they didn't allow unoriginal characters. Despite the fact that this character was from fanon and the only thing he had to do with KingdomHearts was that he was a nobody. (And yet they allowed people to bring in obvious star Trek fan characters and blatant Jedi.)

This troper used to be an active StarCraft player on Battle.Net for some years. On multiple occasions he would go without playing for a few months, and then play for several hours straight just to start a new account. Finally, on his most recent attempt, he had multiple problems just getting a game to last; he would either get booted out for no apparent reason before the game could even get started (although thinking about it now, they probably thought he was a new player by simple virtue of the fact that his record read as 0-0-0), or get cannon rushed inside the first four or five minutes, and he is fairly certain that he made requests that no rushing would be involved. He didn't want to put up with this anymore, so he went ahead and just plain gave up on online playing altogether.

You don't like being rushed? Learn to scout. Cheese tactics aren't nearly as effective if you see them coming.

I reckon advising to suck less is somewhat counterindicative here. Not that this troper does not agree.

Wait, so you told people to stop playing the way they liked to, and you're calling THEM stop having fun guys?

This is a classic example of the another trope. It is not surprising for a scrub to call other players {{Stop Having Fun Guys}}, as there is no real gauge for either category.

The StopHavingFunGuys are part of the reason this troper says TeamFortress2 is one of the most overrated games of this generation. Especially since their FanDumb ''claims'' they're nothing like the StopHavingFunGuys of games like WorldOfWarcraft or EverQuest. Every time I hear a claim like that I can't help but laugh. The severs are supposed to be full of mature players, yet mature is yelling at each other for "screwing up the game", talking about sexual escapades, calling everyone gay, and whenever someone asks for a suggestion on how to play any form of class, they say "Suck less". They micspam and say that if your'e on a server where someone's Micspamming or there aren't x spies and scouts, then you're on a bad server and yet I actually found myself blocking ''more'' StopHavingFunGuys on "good" servers than Micspammers on ''bad'' servers because I never actually heard them talk about how big their cock is. And let's not forget...whenever you express any dislike for TeamFortress2 at all...the default response? Something along the lines of "Suck Less then". No FanDumb? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

ThisTroper can vouch for the TeamFortress2 example concerning StopHavingFunGuys who bash any Medic that fends for himself for so much as a fraction of a second. Just the day before making this edit, he was playing as a Medic on a public server; lacking any constant "medic buddies" to team up with and coordinate, he usually roamed the map, healing whomever was in trouble and (trying) to defend himself against the enemy team. Eventually the top-scoring player on his team (ThisTroper was in third place) switched to Medic and continually bitched about how "the other medic (that is, ThisTroper) sucks." A short time later, ThisTroper ''managed to capture the intelligence and win the round for his team'' after backing up and healing/ubercharging teammates entering the enemy base: #QUOTE# Stop Having Fun Guy: Oh, that works. #QUOTE# ThisTroper: So, ''what'' was that about me being a sucky medic? #QUOTE# Stop Having Fun Guy: Yeah, I think you suck, dude. All you do is play combat medic.

The whole suck less bit is the reason why this troper rarely makes his disgust over certain games or their elements public, because it seems now that any complaining for any game results in everyone pointing the finger at you, saying it's your own fault that you suck and aren't as good as everyone else to enjoy the game.

This Troper sympathises with these stories so much that... well--here. Great servers://CP#1: 209.51.145.133:27015// CP#3: 209.51.145.133:27016 pw: war4433

This Troper has largely quit [=TF2=] after playing it pretty regularly since the game came out. I hadn't touched it in a while and I came to the realization that the reason I haven't touched it is because it sucks now. If I don't have a team too busy obsessing over their KDR than actually playing the game, I get screaming clan kids calling me an aimbot user because my sentry gun killed them. Every server is run by fucking Nazi dictator admins who only play [=TF2=] because they banned everyone from their Battlefield 1942 servers and there was nobody left for them to abuse. Half the servers lie about their population so a server that's 20/32 on the server list is actually empty. And then there's the donor perk servers that let every fucking idiot that joins the server "test" the perks so you get 5 engineers on an inaccessible roof all unloading their level 3 sentries (at least two per engineer) while spies with infinite invisibility compete for supremacy with demomen who use their grenade launchers like long range artillery. A combination of StopHavingFunGuys, scrubs, and user-made game breaking bullshit has ruined one of my favourite games. I'm still angry about it.

Pardon me, but I have to say this. I discovered about a week ago the reason why there are so many gamer stereotypes (particularly negative ones) in one game: TeamFortress2 is becoming a "melting pot" game. Players from a TON of other FPS games join the TF2 community because its got a little bit of every aspect. SeriousBusiness guys from Call Of Duty 4, whiny teens from Left4Dead, 4chan trolls from GarrysMod, and a bunch of others are starting to come to this game like immigrants to the USA. However, this also means theres the nice guys from little known games here, too. Heres a tip: surf servers tend not to have very many annoying tournament/serious business players because surf maps have NO goals. You can do whatever you want there.

I ran into several of these types on a Surf map before and several times I've been told "GTFO you noob" because he wasn't "playing the right way" - evidently you have no goal and can do whatever you want, there? They must have been falsified.

More "forget survival, medics must only heal teammates" examples: I once played Medic on a server that ended up 3 vs 2 against my team. My own teammate went to do his own thing somewhere without my knowledge and I was left to fend for myself. I ended up defending our intel from the entire enemy team with just a bonesaw, killing an enemy Heavy with the syringe gun, and capping the enemy intel three times, all on my own. Despite this, I was apparently a bad Medic because none of that included finding my teammate, switching to medigun, and holding left mouse for the entire game. I made a short comic in GarrysMod based on the ordeal, complete with a bonus panel lampshading my apparent blasphemy.

That player was extremely dumb. Any halfway decent TF2 player knows that the Medic's Survival > Your own

I had something similar happen on League of Legends, believe it or not - well, the bonus panel. In the chat after the game, Fiddlesticks on our team who had 5/16/13 said "GG nubs you only won case Teemo fed you". To which Nunu, on ''the other'' team said "Teemo died the ''least'' on your team, you dumbass!! You're the feeder - you kept charging!"

Above blaspheming Medic again, there was a bit of a happy ending to the story: a few days later I played Medic in a 3-vs-3 LMS game and managed to get more kills than everybody else on either team. Rather than a "what the fuck are you playing medic for" reaction, my teammates congratulated me and asked if I was a "pro battle medic".

This is why I only play one server. The trick is to find a dedicated server with no mods and a forgiving, friendly community--believe me, they exist--and never play anywhere else, lest you get justifiably pissed off. Frequently, servers based off a specific website, such as Twenty Sided or The Escapist, are far better than clan servers, which always attract the SRS BSNS types, or on the opposite end of the spectrum, the micspamming trolls.

This troper has never found a D&D group out where he lives that does ''not'' fit the tropes of StopHavingFunGuys and {{Scrub}} to a T. One group chastised me for having a 3rd Edition book despite that I was never told that they only played Dark Sun and nothing else. Another called me a weeaboo for deciding to have a hermit-monk from Rokugan...despite the fact that he had a ''very'' non-japanese sounding name (How many Japanese people do you know with a name like Zhu Jang?) and was described as specifically being the D&D equivalent of Chinese. Then they said that because I was going to build him up to prestige into a class from the Oriental Adventures book that I was ruining it by bringing in expansion books. Nevermind that the Dungeon Master would bring in monsters ''from expansion books'' and was allowed to get away with it. Then I decided to play a Wu Jen and was then chastised for not picking a Shugenja despite the fact that our group ''already had a sorcerer-type'' mage and I wanted to play a wizard-type one. Then when I picked the Wu Jen's taboos, they laughed and said I was doing it wrong because I picked ones that ''would actually require me to play her a different way''. (Eg stuff like "Cannot drink alcohol" or "Cannot introduce herself to men") Then I was told that the best way was to do taboos that would be sleeper-types like "Cannot wear plate armour" or "Cannot wield an exotic weapon". Then when I decided to ''not'' multiclass with a Shugenja I was ''still'' doing it wrong. So maybe I'd rather multiclass in D20 because it's more designed for it, and maybe I wanna be a pure Wu Jen to avoid problems with figuring out abilities. Then somebody's character died and created an overpowered-as-shit class they downloaded from the internet and I just quit in disgust. Not like I'd hurt the group any...their GameBreaker Class could have soloed the campaign anyways.

Wow...considering this, AND the other D&D -related entry I've seen here, I have this impression that StopHavingFunGuys in the D&D community REALLY don't like having Asian characters in their campaigns. Other expansion books? Fine. ''Player-made'' classes from the ''internet''? Perfectly acceptable. Oriental Adventures? ZOMG NO UR A WEEABOO FAG FOR PLAYING A CHINAMAN. ...Yeah, sorry for that. Again, that's just my impression of this whole situation... Yet ''another'' reason for me to hate StopHavingFunGuys.

I am most certainly a StopHavingFunGuy when it comes to Pokemon. I was against the anti-tier slogan(Tiers Are 4 Queers) from the start, and the dozens of low-tier users that I've curbstomped convinced me that the only way to compete against the high-tier is to play in the high-tier.

Except there are several UU Pokemon that perform well on OU if played correctly. Clefable and Blastoise being two examples. Granted, a full UU team probably won't be able to beat an OU Team, but I usually have at least two BL or UU Pokemon on most of my standard teams and they tend to do quite well. But for the most part you're right, especially concerning the Uber tier. Are you sure you're a Stop Having Fun Guy? There's really a difference between being a SHFG and stating facts, seeing as tiers are organized through careful playtesting. As far as I can see you're only a SHFG if you're an insufferable prick.

This troper recommends that you try playing doubles. It's a lot less tier-happy, so you're allowed to use a much wider variety of pokes without having to worry about being taken out easily.

Extra features like breeding (and the eventual inclusion of special stats from breeding) are the reasons this troper is convinced Pokemon stopped ''being'' fun after GSC. The combination of finding SHFG to battle and them endlessly telling him how their teams are the best due to breeding specific move sets for maximum protection and coverage of the ElementalRockPaperScissors (and implying there's no other way to play if you don't spend countless hours breeding moves to protect your Pokemon from their elemental weaknesses) just put him off the games.

This is why I don't play online. I just don't care for natures and EVs/IVs and whatnot.

This troper agrees and is also the reason why he stopped playing pokemon after emerald and refuses to get pearl/diamond/platinumn/heart gold/soul silver. It's not just the the massive breeding and the EV and IV issues people like to bring up, but also the items Pokemon hold, which either devolves into how X item sucks or how X item is cheap and breaks the balance of the game. This troper likes pokemon in general, but would rather not deal with the elitist players in the online mode.

Don't let it become tainted by the fanbase. Just do what I do and ''DON'T. PLAY. ONLINE.'' You'll find it much more enjoyable thataway.

^Wow, and there I thought online was the most enjoyable part of the game, compared to in-game which is more or less the same in every "main" Pokemon title.

Online play isn't very enjoyable considering that it's nothing but people overusing the best teams over and over and ''over and over'' and '''OVER AND OVER AND OVER''' again. If I'm playing online, ''I'' want to see people trying to play with their favourites and not a team full of level 100 shiny legendaries and starters.

Of course, this addresses another problem.

The original game was fun enough...Online play was just a slap in the face. Pokémon is "offline only" if meant to be enjoyed. When you play offline, you can play however you want - nobody is yelling at how much of a loser you are and failure at life offline, and 9/10 of the players aren't this trope. To GameFreak's credit, it's not stuffing it down our throats, thankfully. If they did, two words would happen - RuinedFOREVER, because these people will chase out all the people who want to have fun with their cookie-cutter teams. And with the {{GIFT}} in full effect, you can bet all of these people will be on their ''worst'' behaviour.

This troper's friend was disgusted when I refused to constantly restart to game to make sure everything I caught had a good Nature. He also looked down on my practice of nicknaming my team, although this may have been unrelated.

this troper's team in gen V is almost entirely UU or BL with 2 OU pokes, my team is: Salamence, Milotic,Volcarona,Lucario,Braivary and Seviper.

I ''always'' name mine! Example 1, my Ampharos Aeolian. I named him for an electrical term. Example 2, of the Hoenn starters Steven offers you in HGSS, I chose the Torchic. I named him Bradley, after a favourite cousin. What better tribute to him, then to be a flaming, ass-kicking chicken? (Seriously, that's awesome.) I play the games because I love them, not to compete with others.

Amen.

This kind of player nearly ruined RuneScape for me. In any pvp environment, be it Stealing Creation, Soul Wars, BH, or whatever, I was sick and tired of them along with the UnpleasableFanbase going apeshit over every single change. Totally unable to appreciate the game for what it really was and just wanted to pwn people and show off how big their e-penis was, and whined at every update that wasn't related to combat or some such. Runescape does not take itself seriously and is not meant to be taken seriously and these irritating bastards were making it look like a joke. They cannot possibly see Runescape for what it truly is an can never appreciate it the way it's meant to be appreciated. ... or at least that was my thought process at the time. I realized-- as you can tell-- that my anger itself was ruining the game for me as much as any SHFG, and I was starting to become a Scrub. I decided the thing to do was to get the hell out of the Rants forum and try not to take the various players that made me angry seriously. I still believe Runescape is not meant to be taken seriously, but if I am to stay true to that I have to let go of my hatred for the people who do. HeWhoFightsMonsters...

Stupid Roleplays. I got this tale for when they forced me to wait 2 hours that someone else consented to follow me! Someone IMPORTANT to the plotline we were developing. And their reasoning was "she's online in the foruns, so we'll wait until she posts here" - while its obvious that she wasn't because she didn't reply my Mail. My posts while I waited were all of sorts of "he anxiously kept staring at the lifeless body of the girl in front of him. Spiders were probably making their webs out of her ear by now, but still, he felt as if he couldn't just pick her up and lay her in bed in hopes she'd get better eventually. He couldn't also leave town since she had the key in her wallet, and a gentleman would never take an item from a damsel without her consent. Who cares anyways, if the villains haven't conquered 3 towns by now, including this one, then their leader must be at some convention acting like the Game Master for some D&D-like game preventing some decent minded player from proceeding just as another one ragequits the game entirely but doesn't leave the building. "Yeah!" - he though - "That's totally something the villain of this story would do"". After she returned, I politely asked for the key on the roleplay, which she gave me, and I threw it off the window into a river, without any other character on the good guy's side to go get it for her withouth resorting to abilities they didn't have before. I left the roleplay entirely at that point, forcing them to break their own rulings. You'll never see me do a Roleplay again until the pope comes to me and says that "RP faggots are dead, you may now shake hands without being accused of godmoding". Seriously, the "Consentment Rule" is just as much a reason why RP's aren't fun as godmoding.

this Troper would also love for the "Your character has an element of this, therefore they are a Mary Sue" attitude to vanish too. Because this troper made his character a vampire, they were automatically called a "Gary Stu". Yes, nevermind that ''THIS WAS A BLOODY VAMPIRE ROLEPLAY'' and that said vampire was hemophiliac so there was no way he'd be able to enter a room and floor all the evil vampires with one hand tied behind his back like another "totally not a Mary Sue" character did. (Before I found out he was actually CursedWithAwesome and had given up his immortality and regeneration for the Awesome powers.)

It takes this troper an awful lot of willpower not to rage and blast the hell out of my TV when I come up against an item-abusing player in Brawl's Wi-fi and lose because of it. He also has only the neutral stages selected in Random Stage Select and no items whatsoever. He also prefers Team Battle, which is closer to tourney conditions. He will also often anviliciously berate people on Youtube claiming a that the Tiers R 4 Queers.

I could also say the same for when I come up against an uber-abuser, OHKO move-abuser or a general cheap tactic user (eg. Perish Song + Arena Trap/Shadow Tag) on PBR's Wi-fi. Admittedly, he also goes on with an uber pass occasionally... BUT he usually gives up on the first turn and offers to battle again, thus essentially sparing the opponent an infuriating defeat. I say 'usually' because it's an exception if I happen to chance upon another uber user. Then I proceed to beat the crap out of them with a well-coordinated ubers strategy.

This troper sucks at {{Fighting Game}}s. You have five seconds to guess why he dismisses the existence of fighting game machines at arcades.

LeFarr has been accused of being a SHFG about claw machines. While yes, I DO tend to give people hints about how to do well, I don't see why you'd not WANT them. And the accusations come from people my age. I give the tips to kids much younger than me, and they've never complained.

LeFarr again, and my other tale with a SHFG comes from a now-friend guy who I met in [=SvR09=] online. He created a ladder triple threat match, and had somehow messed with the game so one punch took out everyone in the game. He still messaged me to boast about how he was top of the Power 25, a list in the game of the best players (who almost all cheat like that) I asked him why he's playing a videogame if he's not having fun. Now he doesn't cheat.

This Troper's brother, cousins and some friends used to be very competitive when we play multiplayer Mario games especially '''Mario Party''' games (it is when serious we play Mario Party games) where they would evetually stop having fun and lets just say things got more "intense". One of this Tropers uncles is even worse than my cousins and brother combined, we had reunion and four of my uncles were playing dominoes and he kept to losing to the point where he tried to fight my uncles and he had to hold him down to keep him from killing them. They get better later on.

In a local arcade, some DanceDanceRevolution players who claim that the only way to play is Heavy, 9+ feet songs, hidden 3x. Anything else is wasting your dollar.

Actually, most SHFG types play only on Oni/Challenge mode. 3x makes it easier most of the time, they typically either do 8x or C400. And only the masochistic play hidden.

This Troper is a flute player in her school's marching band. We are a silly people, the marching band. We practice diligently and have been to State Marching Band Finals for thirty years in a row. We march down at Disney World in Florida (mind you, we live in Sandusky, Ohio. Which no one has ever heard of), and next year we go to DC to play for the president. But despite this and all our work, we have fun with what we do. Now, there is more to this tale. Up in the bleachers stands a 64-member silhouette- the Lexington Marching "Band of Gold" (Or we just call them Lexy). There they stand- yes, standing, not sitting- arms crossed, faces stern... Like a machine. Unlike us savage, heathen, lowly Pirates, to get in the GODLY, amazing, wonderful, stupendous, GODLY, perfect Lexy band, one must try out to even be considered for acceptance among their ingenious, holy ranks. Marching band is Serious Buisness to them. Let me repeat that- they don't goof around. They must think they look cool standing up there. They don't. It drives us completely batty.

Note to any Lexy band members: This is a JOKE. But I really do think you're taking it all too seriously. Please do not edit this entry out just because you don't like it. This is Troper Tales. Let's all stay civil.

Don't justify yourself. If they're going to be offended they probably deserve to be.

Agreed. It's quite obvious that you didn't mean that as a joke, but they need to lighten up and not edit your entry out of the page, since that in and of itself reeks of SeriousBusiness.

The community of CounterStrike is MADE of this trope. Get an AWP kill? Congratulations, you're an AWPWhore/AWPfag. Stay in one position for more than second? You're a Camping Fag. Not to mention the players who rage because you "stole" their kills, and who think every match is a CPL tryout.

This troper is a SHFG to [=SHFGs=]. Trying to eliminate every element of randomness from Super Smash Bros./Melee/Brawl? UR DOIN IT RONG. Trying to take any of this shit seriously? UR DOIN IT FUKIN RONG [=N00B=].

But then you're taking them taking it seriously seriously. So, you're a hypocrite.

Having fun is SeriousBusiness!

This Troper salutes you.

The sole reason I won't get to play Tatsunoko vs Capcom with other people near where I live is because they consider the game to be "broken and unbalanced to the point of not being worth playing". Damn, I wanted to play as Megaman Trigger (Rock Volnutt to some), one of my favorite Megaman Legends character. Also, the same reason for not playing Arcana Heart... or Smash Bro's Brawl for that matter. Le Sigh.

This troper was once kicked from a PvP group in Guild Wars because he started lagging.

It is these types of people that prevent me from ''ever'' playing sports in a team. Seeing my sister's coach literally ''smack a girl who was crying about a sprained ankle'' and tried to make her go into the game. Dude, there were people ''on the bloody bench'' who wanted to go into the game. Send ''then'' in!!

This troper simply points to some of the more vocal detractors of the latest StarTrek film.

While at a SuperSmashBros Brawl tournament, there was a guy who refused to use items while the other player was using them. He purposefully pushed them of the edge whenever he could. I told him that the other player was using items, so it wouldn't matter, but he still refused.

This troper has run into some kind of bizarre fusion of StopHavingFunGuys and Scrubs in the ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'' fandom--or at least, those who want to have tourneyplay. The game's Ex Mode and Ex Burst are hated and loathed by these types for their potential to cause a complete turnaround in moments--thus resulting in tourney types, known for their unfortunate tendency to be StopHavingFunGuys, declaring a legitimate and deliberately designed and programmed part of the game to be completely unfair--a typical scrub tactic! Amusing, if in a frustrating way.

This troper has a friend who borders on this. My dorm plays a lot of the original SuperSmashBros, and he's one of the best in our dorm. He doesn't like items or timed matches and can be a bit vocal about it at times, but it's not to the point where he refuses to play if we don't meet his "standards." Case in point: he loves what we call "explosion matches." 200% damamge with nothing but explosives, shells, and Pokeballs, lotsa fun.

hmm wonder why no one has mentioned Fandom experiences. People do this all the time. 'Crossovers are stupid' 'I judge you if you like X' (Flamers, FanDumb and FanHater apply) seriously people fandom ain't serious business.

This troper saw a bunch of StopHavingFunGuys break out into what he calls a "Post war". Because they seemed to be under the delusion that the size of a post was directly proportional to the player skill, they kept trying to make each other's posts longer and longer to show how much better they were. This troper unfortunately kept facepalming because the resulting posts begun to read more like WheelOfTime and eventually turned to a combination of what I call "WheelOfTime Syndrome" and "Tolkiening"; in which I could literally abridge a 100-line post into just 10 or less, and ''still'' not lose anything important. The {{padding}} started to get so bad, the plot would progress maybe 10 seconds of in-game time ''AN HOUR'' because people had to read through all the worthless crap to find the stuff they can ''actually respond to''. Needless to say, he quickly left that RP to play with friends who don't act like it's the end of the world when you post a "One liner".

One person Mocked this troper for having a themed {{Yu-Gi-Oh}} deck and challenged him to a duel with a Bug deck.

This troper knows a few tournament players. Most of them are supportive and polite, and will sometimes offer advice in a nice way, but one rags on him regularly for not netdecking(copying the best decks off of the internet) and for playing decks that use his favorite cards. After getting tired of him slinging insults, this troper simply stopped playing against him as the temptation to smack him grew with every second.

Ever been on a sports team and encountered these people? You're in good hands!

These people are why this troper signed up for Karate and got P.E. credits wavered.

This trope once played Mario Kart Wii with some friends. One of the guys fit this trope to a T, and when he saw that I chose Automatic shift over Manual and a kart instead of a bike, he spent about five minutes telling me I should choose Manual and bike. He gave up and I stuck with Automatic and kart. I got 1st place in the following ten races. He blamed it on playing on a different TV than what he was used to.

This troper vows to never play VS or Scavenge mode in Left4Dead 2 ever again. I tried out Scavenge mode after having a bad experience the first time playing it. During a rematch, this troper's team votes to kick me out of the game for "not knowing how to use melee weapons properly." You read right. I was kicked not for dropping gas during overtime or blowing them up as survivors. No, I was kicked because apparently swinging a katana while changing directions to help clear the zombies off you is some how doing it wrong.. Mind you that to use a melee weapon, you just left click or hold it to spam it, which works well when you're surrounded. How else would you swing?

This Troper is far too serious about Pokemon. My Troper name is ''ShinyBulbasaur'', for crying out loud. I have a team of Pokemon designed to decimate you if you try that obnoxious FEAR moveset on me and they're all built around both Speed, dual typing, and movesets that cover a wide range of opponents. However, I am not an asshole. I will not rip into you for using your favorite Pokemon, even if it's Luvdisc or Sunkern, and I will never tell you you're doing it wrong. But I will admit that I was most definitely an asshole when I played Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold and Silver. By the time Crystal came around my brother had the good sense to give me a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that made me realize what a douche I was. Unfortunately, tables have turned and now this Troper's brother is a Left4Dead StopHavingFunGuy. DX

See, I admire that; it's a trait lost on many many SHFG's. Also I am not so convinced about examples above saying "everyone's team is the same" (although I have noticed the trend). It makes a world of difference if it isn't just some random battle picked up from a request. I gotta admit though, throughout the life of Gen IV, I never played much (more on Shoddy Battle, which now that I think back understandably was not really as fun). But now if there's ANYTHING about online play that deserves contempt, it's in IV battles when your opponent doesn't also run. Meaning you get a loss on your record, and that's supposed to be understood. They deserve a good hard slap across the face, at the least. (I've had two extra losses because of it.)

This troper had a particularly poor WorldOfWarcraft dungeon run thanks to one of these idiots. He was playing a tank specializing Druid and ended up doing various things including: Blaming this troper (a hunter) for drawing an add that would have attacked no matter what we did as well as calling him a "huntard" because he made a few mistakes regarding Volley, the hunter's area of effect ability, refused to assist when this troper did accidentally draw a few mobs,constantly tried to kick out our mage for similar mistakes with [=AoE=] abilities, caused our original healer to quit because of his abuse and refused to resurrect our rogue because said rogue died trying to get out of the way of a boss that was aggro'd to kill the room's many neutral mobs. The whole time he was bragging about how he had led three groups through the dungeon. All the while he wasn't even a good tank. We eventually kicked him out of the party for acting like an ass, but our new healer, who probably would have proven to be just as bad, quit right after, causing the party to fall apart.

If only this editor had a dollar for every time he's been called a scrub. For one, I play MUGEN and apparently if you do that you have no clue how to play actual fighting games and should quit the genre. Secondly, I enjoy the MeltyBlood and SuperSmashBros games which apparently are not "real" fighters like Tekken and StreetFighter 3 Third Strike. I play Akuma in StreetFighter and Kula in KingOfFighters, which apparently means I suck so much that I have to use top tier characters and I should either learn how to play Dan and Gai Tendou or just quit the game. I love Fighting games to death, but I swear the community is so full of assholes it's disgusting.

In ClubPenguin of all things, some people take this way too extreme.

This troper has been dealing with a very annoying Stop Having Fun Guy lately. It's on a forum RPG, where the GM gives unwanted critiques without being asked and will rudely tear apart anything not up to his standards, even if it's for a different RPG. Your character hasn't been given anything to do? Your fault for having a flat character. Haven't been able to develop the character into anything more dimensional because he hasn't had any opportunities, due to GM not trying to give each member a chance to contribute? Your fault as well. To this GM, and his cronies, forum role-playing games are SeriousBusiness, and trying to do something for fun is unforgivable. This troper is a damn good writer, and the GM's failings are not my fault! I once respected that guy, but now all the respect has been replaced with utter loathing and a desire for his RPG to crash and burn, which it will, as long as he keeps acting the way he is.

You and me both, my friend. I once looked up to a few fanfic authors on a site I used to frequent, only to learn they didn't give a rat's fart about newbs. It only got worse when they started an RP site and became its mods. Some of their characters were blatant Mary Sues, but then they turn right round and slam the character profiles of those who were arguably less over-the-top than they were.

Make that the 3 of us. This troper was part of a sci-fi fansite once. Everything was fairly civil, though we had some arguments here and there. Then we decide to create an RP section. We tried several, most of them failed, but one or two of them suceeded. Long story short, One year later, the site's RP section is ruled by the same three people, the creator and two mods, and every single RP not made by them or their 'trusted' members is immediately made fun of and shoo'd out of the site.

This troper has seen the case of stop having fun guys when it comes to custom campaigns for Left4Dead. There is one campaign that literally spawns hordes every few seconds instead of every few minutes. In the comments and reviews section, flame wars broke out between people who think the constant hordes are a great challenge (even on Expert)) and that anyone who complains about it is a {{Scrub}} and the other side of the coin has people who think the map designer doesn't know how to balance the amount of zombies and should tone it down. The author seems to be in favor of the constant hordes (even though he never confirmed it himself) due to him porting the maps over to Left 4 Dead 2 and kept everything, constant hordes and all, the same.

This troper recently ran into such a person talking about HeavyRain at {{TGWTG}}, apparently if you don't think it's the most moving, emotional game EVER, your an idiot who should go kill themselves lest the world suffer their existence.

My dad. Oh my god, you could not play a game with him in the room, in the next room, or even in the same building as him for that matter. Some people backseat drive, my dad backseat games. He never seems to understand that my strategy is working just fine or that I want to solve the puzzle myself, not have him blurt out the answer while I'm hard at work.

This troper has been told that he has no business playing {{Warhammer}}. Why? Not simply because I played High Elves (back when they were a bottom-tier army), but because I admitted to playing High Elves because I like the background and the miniatures.

This troper's sister is a HUGE Stop Having Fun ''Girl'' when it comes to Mario Kart Wii; she constantly berates this troper for picking Baby Daisy on the Quacker when he "should" be using Funky Kong on the Flame Runner/Bowser Bike. (She ''does'' get respect for insisting to use Dry Bowser on aforementioned bike, though.)

This troper wanted to start on Guilty Gear fighting games, so he decided to go on dustloop to know how is the best way to play and I got threatened by other members with some members and even a mod threatening me via pm. Same thing with Monster Hunter fans when I asked how to make the game fun for myself, then being told by one fan "I will find you, beat you with a metal bat then break your games." ALL OVER ASKING HOW TO MAKE A GAME MORE ENJOYABLE!!!

My two favorite (for certain values of "favorite") encounters in WorldOfWarcraft with StopHavingFunGuys were with me more or less on the receiving end. Both playing my Paladin tank:

Using the random dungeon finder, we got Occulus -- probably everyone's least favorite 5-man instance. When we first zoned in, the healer immediately dropped group (coz everyone hates Occulus), so we waited around for another healer for a few minutes. The new healer joined and zoned in and did nothing for about 30 seconds. (After the fact, he was probably checking everyone's gear.) He complained "I'm not healing a tank with only 30k HP. f--- this." and dropped group. My tank with "only" 30k (''unbuffed'', mind) is about 85% geared with Naxxramas-quality gear and higher, and ''well'' overgeared for a 5-man instance like Occulus, but because newer instances like Ulduar and Icecrown have opened up even higher level gear, "only" 30k was no longer acceptable for this healer. (Aside from the fact that any halfway decent healer with even mediocre gear should be able to keep a tank with 30k hp alive in Occulus with their eyes closed.) We queued up for yet another healer, and when the new healer came in and we told them why the last healer dropped, they laughed and said "what a moron" and we went on to finish the instance in record time.

Again in a random group, we wind up in Azjol-Nerub -- a very easy 5-man instance. The very first thing a Death Knight player says is "I just hit level 80 and I've never been in here, so please put up with me." At the very first encounter with the first trash mobs, the (well-geared) healer starts laying into this poor guy for his poor quality gear and therefore relatively low damage output. After the next few mobs and the first boss, I finally got sick of it and told him "Look, the very first thing he said was he's a new 80, he's still gearing up and he doesn't know this instance. '''Just because he didn't buy a fully-geared 80 on eBay like you did''' is no reason to harass him for his gear. Cut him some slack." He didn't say another word the rest of the instance.

This Troper would like to wonder what's the proper derisive term for these kind of players. In MapleStory, I will also defame these guys the first chance I get should they show up.

This troper's friend yelled at someone for using look inversion in PC {{First Person Shooter}}s.

This troper once got booted for asking for help ''once'' during a scavenge run in Left4Dead 2. Please do note that everybody was right beside me while I got incapitated, and they simply said "No, we won't help you" instead of doing the reasonable thing and helping me back up. Soon thereafter, a votekick window appeared, and ''everybody'' voted in favor of booting me. For what, supporting teamwork?

The general community for Left 4 Dead seems to have gotten worse since the sequel was released. People are more prone to kicking you out of the game for so many stupid reasons that doesn't justify kicking you, such as missing your pounce as a Hunter, not killing or incapping anyone as a Tank before you die, healing when you're in the red instead of using pills when not playing on Expert, not having/using a microphone, or even falling behind because a Jockey or Smoker dragged you back. And these players claim to be more "mature" than the guys who play the Xbox 360 version....

I know how you feel, I was kicked in a scavenge for HITTING someone as a charger, but getting stopped by a hard to see pole a few feet away.

This troper has ran into his fair share of these. The most recent of such involved me getting called a n00b for playing defensively as Ganon (who is ''very slow'') in SSBB, by a guy who insisted that Hyrule Temple was the ''only'' good stage because it was huge, and thought that attacking 24/7 is the only way to play. Next round comes up. Cue me beating the snot out of Him and 2 other people by using Toon Link to smash their faces in.

Is it possible to have an inversion of this? I played CTF on Star Wars Battlefront 2 a lot, because I liked the teamwork, or at least the ''potential'' for teamwork in that game mode. On one occasion however, on Mos Eisley, I stole the enemy flag successfully and was all happy until some guy demanded that I not take the flag because he wanted an entirely pointless battle without an objective. It sort of counts as this to me, because I find CTF more fun than random fighting. Also note this server was not on a timer, meaning the only way to finish the level was to get the flag. The way these guys were playing, it would have gone on forever.

You noob! Everyone knows you're not supposed to go for the objective in an objective game mode! You're just supposed to get infinite amounts of kills! What's your K/D? Only 6000/1? Fucking scrub, don't even talk to me until you get some skill!

{{Scrub}} is the trope you are looking for.

During a discussion on the Escapist, this troper admitted that he couldn't finish [=RPGs=] with evil characters, because I just prefer playing good guys. Cue about ten people telling me I was doing it wrong, and that the cathartic potenital of a game could only be unlocked by being the biggest dickhead on the planet, instead of the senseless violence you still get to indulge in. A borderline example comes from my first experiences with RockBand, in first year university. I was already pretty good from playing GuitarHero, and another gamer told me that if I was doing well on normal and hard, I absolutely had to play on expert, because otherwise it was a waste of time. Eventually none of us played RockBand in the uni house, because everyone knew that he was a stop having fun guy, and they assumed that I was too.

I've identified your problem...you were trying to debate [=RPGs=] on the bloody ''Escapist'', where almost everyone's opinion on [=RPGs=] is whatever their shepherd Yahtzee tells them to think. Those who actually liked playing good characters have fled in ''2008''.

Oh do shut up. I don't give a damn what Yahtzee thinks and I think that being evil is the logical way to go. You almost always get better rewards and killing people is fun. Also, nice job being hypocrites, hypocrites.

Except when you don't, which is half the time since most games are balanced with both playthroughs(Fallout 2, anyone?) in mind anyway. Try reading the first post again, by the way. OP's problem wasn't with people who did evil playthroughs - it was with those who insist it was the One True Way™ of gaming - an attitude that you just exhibited. Nice job proving the guy's point.

It's not just the ''Escapist'', it's showing up in other places too. I've gotten flak for admitting I thought inFamous was a lot more fun on the 'good' path than the evil one. Apparently preferring one power set over the other and the fact that the random dickery required for the evil path wasn't that fun makes me a moralfag.

I was called a Moralfag for playing the light side in ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic 2'' and saying I liked it the most. The Dark side ending ''really'' isn't ''that'' good.

I always play light side too, because a) Mira's more useful than Hanharr anyways (Mandalore could do whatever Hanharr could and wound up doing it) and b) You don't have to go light-sided on every single choice to get mastery, so you can have fun doing stuff like telling a couple thugs in Nar Shadaa to jump into a pit. Even if I'm going for light side mastery, I '''''have''''' to do that - it's too damn funny to resist! (First time I did it, I was like "Whoa, I didn't think they'd actually do that!")

These people are the reason I don't play fighting games online. Nobody tries to win with their favourites...it's always whoever the best character is. Cue MarvelVsCapcom 2, where the online teams are all Magneto, Storm, and Sentinel, or Storm, Magneto, and Sentinel....or maybe something I see less, Magneto, Sentinel, and Storm! To just give one example.

This troper agrees and it is also the reason why he gave up playing Brawl online since almost every 5 fights was Final Destination, no items, and people using only Meta Knight/Snake/Ike/Lucas/Wolf/Toon Link

This troper left {{Travian}} for good after it got infested with noobs that would level up faster with gold and then whack you, and after seeing on a ''country's server'' that the first three alliances on the server had a joining rule of "must use gold". You play Travian for fun, you're just a farm and lost the game the moment you decided to play.

This troper as at a school Halloween Party when this applied to Pokemon. I played with this one guy who was an obvious {{stop having fun guy}}. However, I'm known for being extremely nice and godly good at video games, so he asked me to play using LV 100 Pokemon only. I told him I didn't have my official team and so I asked him if I could use my legendary Pokemon because I couldn't follow his rules. He SAID it was okay. Then comes the battle and he's complaining about how I'm cheating when he GAVE ME THE APPROVAL. He also complained about how healing moves in battle was cheating. I turned to my friend and she shook her head. And then I realize I just wanted to kick his ass and shut up. After all, the only Pokemon I were using to kick his but were non-legendary GRASS POKEMON! He ended up shutting off his game despite the fact he said it was an error. He showed me the screen to prove it but I KNEW he pushed it off because I had him beat only using three Pokemon that weren't legendary Pokemon and just happen to use the Sunny Day + Solar Beam + Synthesis + Chlorophyll + Solar Power. Yeah...three of my Pokemon were grass Pokemon and the irony is that most of his Pokemon were flying Pokemon.

It doesn't stop there though. He suggest that me and my two other friend have a two vs. two battle with no legendary Pokemon AND only LV 100 Pokemon. He KNEW that I didn't have good Pokemon for this double battle and that if I used the grass Pokemon, he would know how to counter them, so I had to switch them out with Solrock, Blaziken and Ampharos and they all had a common weakness to one of my friend's who sent out his Garshomp (that bastard...) who targeted me because he thought it was funny. However, since he was team up with the cheater (who was being rather sexist with teaming up with my other female friend) and he targeted ME because he was bitter about losing to my GRASS team. So I lose the battle first because EVERYONE was out to get me (even my partner backstabbed me when she used earthquake to kill my last Pokemon...) and you know what he did? He LAUGHED at me and called me a loser. I had my pride so I was humiliated because of my partner...and the sad thing is, NO ONE CARED that he said that. So to them, they said I was overreacting and that basically ruined the dance for me.

Not that it really matters, but whoever played you are more Scrubs than StopHavingFunGuys. It's fairly apparent to me that the person sucks rather badly, so you can easily beat them if you work a little (provided if you want to try, of course).

This troper gets slammed and ignored on gaming sites solely because he is a member of the RPGCodex. Nevermind that its just a few vocal elitists making the "all new games suck" arguments (even then, its not true, they do like a few modern games), being part of the site is immediate grounds for an ignore.

Even though 90% of the Codex regularly discuss and accept both the merits of modern games and the flaws of their old favourites, and most are quick to slam anyone who shows double standards in that regard, they have long since been the internet's prime victim of HePannedItNowHeSucks. It's become something of a badge of honour.

DON'T GO to friendcodes.com looking for pokemon help. They refuse to tell you anything about advice on ANYTHING unless you farm pokemon like they were baby machines AND EV train. Really. I just ragequit the site and made that the end of it.

This troper has an unusual tendancy to pick bottom-tier characters in fighting games (The few times I played top- or mid-tier characters was because they were the ones I played... back when they were bottom tier in older games) and usually got scorned for it by other "casual" players. This Troper plays May in Guilty Gear, gets mocked for using her, and proceeds to slaughter the opponent, because they have no idea what half her moves are. Proceed them claiming that I'm abusing glitches (May has a move that can stun the enemy in two hits, and can easily follow it up with her one-hit-kill attack. I DON'T use it except against one person, and he's the one I used to play against regularly.)

I hate GunZ. Hate, hate, hate it. I understand how people can enjoy it, I loved it for a few months. I loved it so much I looked up a kick-ass private server with much more content, but I ran into even more StopHavingFunGuys than I did in the regular server. I wanted to enjoy the game more, but the glitches hurt my hands and to be honest they felt really silly. So, I did my best rocky montage, got pretty good, and in one match started helping my team win. Seven messages, from teammates and opponents alike, told me off because of my noob-spraying and lack of skill , despite an impressive kill to death ratio. (And if you've played GunZ, you know how hard it is to survive)

Tropers/{{Excel-2010}}. I decided to get good at ''TetrisTheGrandMaster'' because I thought it would be fun to be a snob at something many people are familiar with, but few care about in any significant way. I talk down to anyone who doesn't play like a grandmaster would. I don't actually mean it since I can barely score S3 on Classic Rule myself (on Nullpomino), but it's cute how a lot of Tetris players think it's a big deal when they score a Tetris. It's not that hard, guys. Stack to the left and hold your I-pieces. It's a lot of fun walking up to someone who thinks they're great at Tetris and then putting them through a battery of questions that only hardcore players can answer: "What's the ARE? Are T-Spins detected with no wall/kick? Do I-pieces rotate on the third or fourth block? Can they floor kick? How many rotations are you allowed before lockdown? Are wall kicks symmetric? How fast is the soft drop and at what rate does it increase? Does topout check at row 19 or 21? What algorithm does the random generator use?"

{{Warhammer 40000}} is sort of an inversion of this trope. The game is played mostly by people who are in it for the fluff, models, setting, etc. Anyone that plays the game competitively is verbally castrated and ostrecized. I know people that have been banned from hobby shops for simply saying they enjoy playing the game competitively. They try so hard to stop the [=SHFGs=], that they themselves are the biggest ones in the community.

Lucky you.

This Troper's ex and close friend was VERY competitive at his video games (Resistance, Guitar Hero, Call of Duty etc) that whenever he was helping her learn how to play these games, whenever enemies and whatnot showed up he would snatch the controller and get back into it, as other players came into it. Wow, and he wonders why she refuses to play on the PS3 with him nowadays.

You can definitely find some in WorldOfWarcraft. In one instance, I ran into a tank who insisted that I had my hunter's pet on the wrong setting, even though it wasn't and kept berating me because apparently my pet was aggroing everything, which simply wasn't true. Almost everything he blamed me for was actually me starting the attack on enemies that ''he'' aggroed before they got to him.

This Troper saw a case of this in a Razorfen Kraul run. The healer was a Shaman who wasn't specced in Restoration, but still was doing a freaking awesome job. Not that this mattered to the Tank (who, was Retaliation Paladin. Hypocrite much?) because he kept berating her for healing on the wrong spec. The only time anyone died was because of the Silencing bats yet she managed to prevent it from being a wipe, but still the guy called a vote to kick, which promptly failed (and he whispered to This Troper to berate him for not voting in favor). However, at the end he got his just desserts as the Heart of Aggamagan dropped from the final boss and she decided to ninja it out of spite. This is the only time I've seen where players decided to cheer for the ninja.

Holy crap, the Shaman sounds like me.

This Troper once posted some YouTube videos of his "improperly" EV trained, non-baby farmed, mixed-tier Pokemon teams duking out against his friend's teams of a similar nature. After looking around YouTube for a while, he realized that they were some of the only battles of that sort anywhere on the site. Almost everything else was competitive battlers... and judging from my previous experiences with them, most of them were probably elitist to boot.

The same Troper was also horrified when the same friend showed interest in natures, fearing the friend would become a {{Stop Having Fun Guy}}. Fortunately, the interest waned and he remains as polite as ever. It was kind of hypocritical, really - although not a competitive battler, the Troper sometimes resets for a neutral or somewhat beneficial nature.

The transformation from casual player to scrub/SHFG depends on the personality. If they're not a secretly competitive person or...well, scrubbish on other matters, the transformation generally does not occur. :/ My point, though, is it's not the Pokemon game's fault, or any of the mechanics therein. Some people just become obsessed and bossy. At any rate, glad your friend didn't turn into a SHFG.

''Pokémon Battle Revolution'' is a good place to find some unusual Pokémon usage. There is absolutely no regulation in its online environment and it keeps no win-loss record, so the competitive battlers have largely fled from it. I also go out of my way to look for Pokémon everybody ignores, such as Grumpig, Kangaskhan, and the Plusle-and-Minun duo, to show that they have potential. While I EV train, I honestly don't care if someone does or not--the Stop Having Fun Guys ''greatly'' exaggerate their benefits in battle. Go ahead and search for ''Pokémon Battle Revolution'' videos on {{YouTube}}. It is actually pretty easy to find videos featuring both players just using their favorites without a care for the tiers.

This troper plays WorldOfWarcraft and while I have played since Classic, my interest wasn't truly peaked until the latter half of B.C. and all of Wrath. As such the vocal minority of elitists tend to peave this one...that said here's a couple stories I've experienced on my Prot/Holy Pally.

A while back I moved my main to my boyfriends server and since than we'd been doing randoms together in between his guilds raids(which I later got in on, more on that in a bit) so while in one Drak'tharon run while not even upto the first boss a particularly pushy disc priest began pulling when I had to stop for mana due to going oom,I request for him not to pull, he tells me, "Go faster than." and continues to pull. I try to be passive on these things, it's really not worth to effort to rage over a randomed dungeon but I truly have no patience for people who pull intentionally ahead of the tank expecting to be saved when it's the tanks job to pull and hold aggro in the first place. In this priests case I let him die and left group.

The second story occures shortly before I took up raiding, I'd never really raided before and fully expected to exit into Cataclysm having still not done so but my boyfriends guild was looking for more full time healers, no problem, my off spec was holy, I jump for it, I already had a decent set, I just need to practice up. So I and my boyfriend group up for...Occulus, which normally, I like...extra loot basically since a buff. I inform the group I'm new to heals, they harp how I should probably experiment on normals...the tank than proceeds to mount up while I'm 'manaing up' a trend you see....and charge ahead, grabbing all aggro for about 50 yards plus and going out of my range. The best I can do is my classes 'only' instant heal, he dies, I get blamed, again they cite I should go back to normals. I and my boyfriend leave the instance after words are exchanged. I don't heal for heroics a lot after this occasion, I feel more comfortable being in tank position.

Now that I think about it, my friends, younger than me, fitted this to a T. Each friggin time we played Brawl it was ALWAYS. No items, five lives, Final Destination. And they always complained when I wanted to play somewhere else, and god forbid if I tried to activate the Pokeballs. Those were the times...

Team. Fortress. Two. Almost every server I go to, I almost wind up blocking several players, and even then there are people posting sprays of Penises and sex who aren't screaming on the microphone. Several servers I've been on have had people who were whining that I was playing a "noob class" because I came on as a Pyro or Heavy (I'm sorry, I noticed there ''were'' none, I didn't know this was supposed to be "Demoman, Engineers, and snipers ''only''!) and they never seemed to notice that absolutely ''nobody'' was playing a Medic or Scout, so they were bitching on "Where's the scout?!" "OMG WHERE IS THE MEDIC?" "HEAL ME FFS!" so I rolled a medic and am immediately scapegoated for everything. (The Spy got spotted sapping an engineer's sentry? Oh apparently it's my fault I didn't heal him even though I was ''on the other side of the effin battleground healing the Token Heavy''.) And this wasn't just ''one'' server I had this happen on, almost all the others were full of people who were just cock measuring, several people RageQuit on servers, and there were several people attempting to glitch stuff and grief. So I asked around users for what some good servers were or mentioned my experiences (Big mistake) and immediately, I'm told shit like, "omg that's why you don't play the console version you consolefag" (I'm ''not''. My Xbox 360 doesn't even ''have'' internet access) or "Suck less", "Play with friends or GTFO". Then I see people on sites like FurAffinity bragging about how their fandom doesn't have any FanDumb in it. I honestly can't read those claims with a straight face. Thank goodness for the offline training - I've not looked back ever since.

You know a game has a bad community when ''4chan'' admits that Fur Affinity has some of the best servers. To put this in perspective, imagine the KKK saying that Harlem is the best neighbourhood in New York City.

Slight aversion with this troper. I get the feeling that, if I understood what was going on with [=EVs=] and so on, I would be something along these lines when it comes to {{Pokemon}}... As it stands, though, I don't care that much. I spend my time breeding/leveling pokes with absurd movesets... like a suicidal Gastly with perish song, curse, explosion and destiny bond. Completely and utterly useless, but WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAwesome?

Same here. I do breed a lot, but it's usually because someone (my friends or otherwise) wants a pokemon that's either A) unavailable in their version for capture (like the Starter 'mons), B) I want to get the newborn 'mon to have a move that it can only inherit as an egg move no matter how absurd/impractical the move actually is, and C) Requires a ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through to acquire and/or evolve normally (looking at YOU, Feebas/Milotic. I do not really concern myself with nature/effort values/individual values (I leave that to my friend). The "Feebas farm" I'm cultivating is simply because I get some nice stuff from my friends that need one for their pokedex, such as rare/uncommon evolution stones/gems like the Dawn Stone.

This troper, is, unfortunately, a dyed-in-the-wool Stop Having Fun Guy. Despite his good intentions, he takes most everything said against his favorite series/characters/ships to heart- even if it turns out to be a joke. He tends to think these kinds of comments are {{Stealth Insult}}s towards him personally, and he's actually ''lost friends'' because they can't stand him whining about his opinion of canon, the other people's {{OTP}}'s, etc. He'd like to get better, but is trying to figure out '''how'''...

Suck less. I actually am the same way; I had a legitimate reason, but for most of my Middle school and high school career I kind of assumed every compliment was a thinly veiled insult. Then again, maybe there's a different reason so MANY girls kept talking to me so weird...

My friend is kind of this; he only plays games on the hardest difficulty available, then berates me for wanting to play a game for the first time one easy. Namely, ''{{Left 4 Dead}}''. When I asked why we couldn't at least play on Medium, he made it clear to me that his way was the way he played and any other way was no fun. He's obviously never played chess with a grandmaster (or similar) because it is no fun playing something for the first time against (or alongside, in this case) someone who drastically outclasses you. Apart from that, he's a great guy and one of my closes friends; he's also a great artist. check him out here.

WorldOfWarcraft - I wanted to finally make an alt, so I made a rogue. Not just any rogue though. I made a gnome. A gnomish engineer. And I insisted on playing subtlety spec. You would think I had sprouted devil wings and suggested baby-eating as a fun activity based on the reaction of some in my guild. Since 4.0 came out, I'm told subtlety rogues are back in the game, but I chose it at the time because frankly it was fun as all hell. All sneaking around super-fast and such... I enjoyed leveling that character more than any of the classes I've tried. I'm still a tank, first and foremost, but I love my little subtlety rogue.

This troper got on both ends of the spectrum of StopHavingFunGuys, on one end. I was a staunch anti Baby Class in RagnarokOnline, trying to kill them in pvp or encouraging them to suicide just for kicks. On the other end, I was not allowed to join in a DefenseOfTheAncients session because I frankly sucked and when I was younger, some friend of my sister bragged he can beat me with Fox, and will you know it. He was a proto tournament player

This troper can't be the only one who's seeing this crop up more and more on TVtropes, especially in areas off the main page, can he?

Seconded. Some of the changes I can understand, but many seem to take the fun needlessly out of the situation. Like the thing with getting rid of strikeouts or many of the re-namings. And while I'm against natter, creating buttons for the sole purpose of nagging people about it sounds like a pretty terrible idea.

Thirded.

Fourthed. I think the history of this very trope's main page speaks for itself.

My youngest brother subverts this: he will beat you at SuperSmashBrosMelee with a random character on a random stage, because he is just that good at playing games.

This troper is a subvertion. When playing Halo Reach I go for the Sniper Rilfe and Rocket Launcher when I can, but I get a little frustrated when I get killed by something like that. (Let's be honest, no one LIKES dying in a Halo game) Yet I get frustrated when people F#$KING TEAM KILL. People on my team have shot me for no reason, and I've gotten killed several times just because my teammate wanted my gun, WTF?! Bungie, would it kill you to take friendly fire out?

This sort of thing is the reason this troper never plays online. Ever. I love HALO especially big team games, but Matchmaking Big Team seems to be filled with one of two types of players: Those who order you around because only THEY know how to play properly and if you're not playing the way they say you're worthless and are going to cause the team to lose; or people who have absolutely no desire to play the game and are basically just trolling through team killing or (after the boot feature was simplified) intentionally destroying vehicles or getting in everyone's way on purpose.

This troper absolutely loves Scavenge and it is his favorite game mode. He encounters stop having fun guys occasionally, though. Since the release of No Mercy, it's Rooftop stage is popular, and that's what I play on most of the time. One time he got kicked for being death charged off the building. The other guy who got death charged didn't get kicked. My response when the kick started? "Look, that charge was out of my control." They still kicked me. I got kicked again when the exact opposite happen; I missed my death charge as Charger. Again, I responded. "You do know that the Charger is the hardest Special Infected to land a good hit with, right?" Again, I got kicked. Luckily, I occasionally find the good team who I friend.

In a non-video game version, try getting in on a "friendly" game of football or any otherwise physical sport and try to kick back and enjoy it. The jocks in the group will eat you alive. And they wonder why we play video games....

This Troper seems to -attract- SHFGs. Ragnarok Online? I played a Merchant as my main character, and had fun with it too, and that was Not Right. Warcraft 3? I liked to play Tower Defence maps and work out my own defensive lines... but that Wasn't The Right Way To Do It. Magic the Gathering? My fun decks, the non-legal ones, always end up against Elves and I suck for having fun with my deck. My actual Type 2 legal deck is artifact/white with a side order of generating tokens like whoa... but because I built it myself out of the cards I own, and haven't downloaded a deck list and bought 20 rare cards for it, it's Just Wrong and I suck for playing it, even though I find building the deck the really fun part. Any RPG ever with an alignment option? I like to play Good/Light Side/Paragon and find it both difficult and not much fun to play Evil/Dark Side/Renegade... and apparently I suck for not playing through both sides. Any RPG with a choosable party? I suck for picking the characters I -like-, rather than the best characters. *shrug* Oh well.

I actually get told "You suck for not playing dark side".

This Troper grew sick of the DDR, TaikoNoTatsujin and Bemani scene due to the number of stepchart creators who makes insanely hard stepcharts on the basis of "It is supposed to be hard, learn to play" No wonder this attitude led to GuitarHero and it's spinoffs being more popular here. The newcomer coming in to see who is playing and watches as the veterans show off and making it look too hard.

This Troper is a subversion. I know many competitive strong set ups and play aiming for victory but I'm happy to play casually, give pointers (which I never force anyone to follow), I always remember to enjoy myself and thank my opponent for a battle afterwards instead of taunting them.

I'd say I have shades of this about me. I am a competitive Pokemon player, but I'm perfectly willing to put up with casual players (I can see why people don't want to breed/EV train/etc. for example) as long as they aren't A: obnoxious or B: playing in a competitive environment (like a simulator, or the Battle Frontier) with a non-competitive team. It's my attitude in general - I play my games seriously, you can play them how you want, but don't annoy me or go out of your depth on the issue.

So- in your mind, people aren't allowed to play in the Battle Frontier without competitive teams. This is something that's single-player, on their own cartridge, and yet you're offended by it by some reason. That's a lot more than ''shades,'' that ''is'' this trope.

Throwing my two-cents in...he does sound like a SHFG, though it's probably not what he meant, more like, if they play in the Battle Frontier without an optimal team and whine when they don't perform optimally, it's kind of annoying. :/ Or if they try to go into the simulators without learning the mechanics first, and then insist that everyone else is using cheap tactics...but that's going into Scrub territory, isn't it? |D

Dohoho, I definitely was one when I was younger and into competitive Pokemon...after I got over my scrub phase. Now I tone it down as much as I can, and while it irks me like a bad itch if I see someone not optimizing...I try not to say anything, or just throw it out there so they know there's a better option but don't shove it down their throat. And besides, I'm certainly not the best player out there, so I don't have a lot of room to really speak.

My brother....ooh boy. Let's see, well, I never grew up with videogames, seeing as my parents wouldn't let me play them when I was a kid, but for some reason had different rules for my brother. So, my brother grew up a gamer, while I only occasionally play some of his Xbox when he's not using it, as well as having a few Steam games that I recently downloaded. But I didn't even get into the gaming world until I was in my late teens or early 20's. Maybe that explains why we have such different views on gaming, but I can ''not'' enjoy ''any'' games when he is in the room because he ''always'' yells about how I'm playing them wrong, and how it's "painful" to watch because I "suck". He doesn't seem to grasp the fact that maybe, just maybe, I'm playing for ''fun'' and ''not'' trying to finish the game as quickly as possible.

The other day, this troper played against a SHFG in... {{Monopoly}}. Seriously. He started yelling (in German, no less) at one of the other players whenever she tried to make a deal that would put the other player (myself, in most cases) ahead in any way, even if it was extremely slight.

...German? Is there perchance a video of him getting angry and smashing a keyboard circulating around the web?

Nah; that vid was faked.

Mabinogi, in the game where you pretty much do whatever you feel like, I'm usually told to go do specific stuff (around the lines of get the Thunder spell over the Fireball, or dont bother using this sword because you need X dex and why havent you completed G2 yet, and you get the point) theres really one person in my Guild who will berate me for this, no matter what my reason.

Another deal, in Maplestory, most of my guildies dont really like how I picked Mechanics as a main over corsairs, calling them over powered with little to no skills

Personally, I am more of a StopHelpingMe guy, since I grew practically sick of MMOG's because of people butting into my adventuring and whatnot, which is why I stick with singleplayer games instead.

This Troper's brother is okay when it comes to most things.....except for games that have activities (Twilight Princess, Red Dead Redemption), fighting games (Usually because he can't be bothered getting used to the controls and tends to make up excuses when I win against him) and Games like saints row 2. He only tends to be like this just after he's lost to a game several times.....

It's not hard for me to believe why I tend to have a low opinion on certain competitive gamers and card players. Since some of those guys hate losing or got to prove their "skill" even when everyone else is just chilling. Playing Smash Bros Brawl and I'm going ham all day in 4 way matches. So my friend gets pissed because I'm having too much fun and wants to play me 1 on 1. Since he wouldn't shut up until I played I just screwed around the match. He starts ranting about I'm not taking it serious, knowing I don't do 1 on 1 matches in Smash much less take it serious. So to shut him up he picks his best guy Metaknight and I 3 stock him with Bowser.

I considers myself a subversion when it comes to {{Pokemon}}. While I did spend several hours creating a team that covered all of each other's weaknesses, I really don't care much for stats and EVs and stuff. My planned team for PokemonBlackAndWhite was chosen mostly for the individual pokemon - two of them will never be fully evolved because they're frickin' adorable, and lose their cuteness when they evolve. As for the subversion part, somebody mistook me for a competitive battler, and sent me this message: #QUOTE#wanna wifi BATTLE my code is #QUOTE#also NO FEARS ALOUD #QUOTE#do not steal my sets #QUOTE#supersonic is banned for obvious reason.

This troper (suicidal Gastly girl) has recently just stopped caring about anything ''other'' than having fun, and I accredit that to my experience with VideoGameCrueltyPotential breeding, which were far too entertaining to give up. Despite my experiments (and how pathetic it may seem to some) I legitimately adore my 'randomly generated pieces of coding'... and, as of Black and White, my favorite 'mons are Mothim and Simipour.

Not a video game example, but this troper's high school has a few people on staff that seem determined to keep our announcements dull and boring. They don't approve of anything that the announcement kids do that isn't just sitting in front of the camera and reading announcements, and even when they did a parody of "I Gotta Feeling" to get the school excited about passing a standardized test, they still criticized it.

This Troper is definitely a StopHavingFunGuy for Pokemon. EV training? Check. IV/Nature breeding? Check. Using mostly OU Pokemon on my teams? Check. Though I don't blame people for not getting into competitive if they just want to enjoy the ingame portions of Pokemon, I do maintain my stance that you're not a very good battler on the whole if you don't do some of this stuff. (Not saying that you don't have good potential or strategy; but if you actively know about EV training and IVs, don't mess with them, and still think you're "the very best...")

Also (same Troper here), I tend to be a SSBB tourneyfag. Stock, eight minutes on the clock, no items, "boring" stage. Subversion in that I actually love the Temple stage, unlike so many other competitive players.

When it comes to Smash Bros, This Troper loathes the competitive community. They cut out half or more of the stages because they refuse to change their game to fit them, and then they try to act like their "banned" lists should be considered universal, and any tournament that allows all stages is "not professional" and roundly mocked. They ax items because they refuse to allow any kind of randomness, when that's what Smash is all about. Their snobby, elitist, "our way is the only way to play" attitude is the worst.

This troper has actually been asked why he plays {{Pokemon}} if he doesn't give a shit about the metagame or online matches. Apparently the idea of playing for the single player game is completely alien to players who think the metagame is the entire point of the series.

This troper only plays the single player game because the single player isn't full of people spamming overused types considered uber, or has ever yelled "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" at me.

AGREE. Seeing how competetive Pokémon gaming is all about EV training people(which... I don't really like for a variety of reasons) AND IVs, and I think it's just as fun playing the game through, beating my own score at the Battle Tower and trying to fill the dex.

I have many examples:

How has LeagueOfLegends not been mentioned yet? I'm told that the fanbase is friendly and open to newcomers. I mention that I'm completely new to the game, have ''never'' played before in my life, and have never even played Defense of The Ancients. Guess what happened? Yep - I got yelled at and told never to play the game again.

The sad part is that LoL is, on average, far nicer than either DotA or HoN. LoL has quite a few assholes, yes, but they are far less numerous and their douchebaggery less egregious than an average player of the other two. Trust me, everything that has ever been said about DotA and HoN having the absolute worst communities around is completely true.

"DotA" essentially scathed me away from playing online games. This troper was told that "Halo" and Xbox Live had the worst online communities ever. Uhm...most people on Halo were ''fourteen''. You know. Still physically and emotionally ''maturing''. DotA? When you're being shouted at, insulted, told to kill yourself, told how much of a failure you are, are screamed at....and by people old enough to be ''your father''...I'd say the Scummunity around DotA, League of Legends, and HoN are worse. Because those aren't teenagers screaming racial slurs and the like at you...those are ''adults''.

''ANOTHER'' TeamFortress2 example. AFter going from server to server to avoid StopHavingFunGuys who keep screaming "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" or playing that stupid "BONK" remix songs if not flat out hacking (Yes, they were hacking - Heavies should ''not'' be walking on thin air, I should be ''killing'' people with sniper headshots, demoman should ''NOT'' be throwing infinite grenades, and most importantly, the medic should ''NOT'' be noclipping.) I finally find a server full of people who are actually not screaming at each other. Oh wait, surprise surprise...it's an iron-bound group that does not allow newcomers in their grasp. They would completely ignore me even when I was saying where they were taking the intelligence, act like I wasn't even there, call for a medic when ''I WAS HEALING THEM'', and finally booted me and two other newcomers out by saying "We got friends who want to play". If you wanted this to be a private server, ''WHY WAS IT PUBLIC''?

This tropers friend is like this. He yells at everyone on the team if the slightest thing goes wrong, is more than willing to hit you (not too hard, but still) if you beat him, and has a short fuse. He's a good guy other than that for the most part, but my friends cheared when he left our Xbox 360 for PS3.

Both the DotA and HoN fanbases are basically SHFGs, I read somewhere of a troper getting kicked from a noob game for being a noob? Well guess what, it happens a lot. And the people in the community that aren't SHFGs are just scrubs. It's kinda hard to find nice people in game nowadays, even this troper and their closest friends revert to scrubs or SHFGs when losing. Humans are bastards...

I miss the time when the only way to play multiplayer was when you had to be physically next to the person you were playing with. People behaved much better that way - when you RageQuit nowadays, they keep on playing, not learning a thing. When you block someone or put them on ignore, they keep on screaming. When they were being a bastard next to you, you hit them in the face. Or you never invited them over. Or you refused to come over and play with them because they were a complete bastard. Then they (usually) learned to not be a bastard. Plus, there was no GIFT.

This troper used to hang out on the FireEmblem forums, and people were ''militant'' about stats. "Eww, don't pair those two together, their kids won't get good growths! You should support these two, the stat bonuses are the best! Don't use this character, they suck! Laylea and Sharlow have Charisma and Elite, kill Sylvia and get them! If you pair Levin with anyone but Fury you'll be sorry!" And that's why this troper no longer hangs out on the forums.

I have this friend whom I play League of Legends often. I like to vary my playstyle, but, according to his opinions, GOD FORBID you put a bit of attack damage on a caster, or give that barbarian some magic.

Hi, entries go on the bottom plz - I'll move it for you. Anyways, I once got yelled at for making Machine Gun Teemo and was calld a nubling because Karth kept harassing me and I was doing poorly at mid. :/ I'm sorry guys - I'm really not good at mid. It's not a good idea to put someone who ''admits'' they're a timid newbie into the middle. REally, I'm already timid enough (At least to get the least amount of deaths in some rounds) but I'm ''extra'' timid with Teemo.

Yeah, some players suggest that I go mid sometimes, despite the first thing I tpye (usually) being that I'm not going mid. I cannot fight alone for **** as ANY champion. To be fair to them though, I AM in a high level (not as if that has much effect anyway)

These guys make it hell to play a support champion like Karma, Soraka, or Sona in League of Legends. First off I was once asked to go mid - I said "I hope you're joking - Sona is ''NOT'' a mid-laning champion" and they yelled at me because I went to help a Xin Zhao. Xin Zhao then complained that I was kill-stealing because of my abilities that'd score the final blow, or when I used sona's passive to spike a champion and take the killing blow. I am not ''intentionally'' kill-stealing. Then Xin Zhao says he's going another lane and complains that he's dying quicker. That's because ''I'm not there healing you'', you dumbarse. I'm dumped with a 2v1 lane and ask for someone to come help me because leaving a support champion (Especially Sona) alone in a 2v1 is practically ''spoonfeeding'' the other team. So Nasus teleports over and we fight them off. Then later on, I decide to help Nocturne out and we epically take out two turrets and two inhibitors, with Nocturne never going below 90% health because I keep mashing the "W" button to heal him. Of course he and Nasus thank me because they know what a "support" Champion is. Then the other team calls me a noob because my deaths outnumber my kills. Guys? '''''SUPPORT''''' champion - you'll notice I had a good 30 assists.

{{Neopets}}, oh LAWDY. The competitive areas of the site, like Battledome and Altador Cup, especially.

This Troper was on team Maraqua in Altador Cup V. Though we only got fifth place, we were all excited about getting the highest Yooyuball record, and yes, we gloated a little. Enter #2 ranked Darigan Citadel, the Stop Having Fun Team, who got up in arms for daring to celebrate that we beat the second-place team by one draw.

In any given Altador Cup, expect to be called a freeloader if you join a diehard team (again, Darigan comes to mind) and you can't play 8 hours a day.

I think I have this as the worst superpower ever...because almost every game I play I run into these guys.

Every time this troper makes a new D & D character, at some point during the creation process I freeze up and get terrified that when my group's resident SHFGs see it, they're going to lay into me about how my character could be SO MUCH MORE POWERFUL if I'd just taken such-and-such power. I think they've already half-driven away one of our players that way. She's become convinced that she "can't create characters" and always asks one of them to do it for her.

I met one of these guys in GarrysMod of all places. You couldn't move off the spawn, and you could only spawn 5 props. Anything else was a "kicked by console".

I'm like this with {{Pokemon}} but the only person I piss off is myself. I have to get good natures for my team,

Back when I was learning to play videogames, I had a friend like this. Said friend would never ever EVER explain how a game worked, so I would have to figure it out on my own. She would beat me mercilessly until the moment I learned and managed to beat her or give her a good battle. Then she would change the game and I'd have to learn all over again.

this troper has noticed that people n grand chase HATE ranged characters. an example? they kick people for using mages or archers, to the point that this troper had to create his own match JUST to play.(P.S i can't find the section on grand chase...)

Well, this is unavoidable for any online FPS but CombatArms...dear God, the amount of these in Combat Arms is just baffling. Manage to survive and kill the person who was shooting at you? "Kick [name], he has HP hacks!" or "Bullshit! I should've killed you!". Manage to kill someone with a knife legitimately, whether or not the victim isn't even aware in the slightest? "That took no skill! U r just lucky!" or "Lucky berserker n00b!". Snipe someone? "Aimbot, kick him!". May whatever deity you worship help you if you like poison gas or smoke grenades because they are apparently, "too hax.". Hell, even just naturally getting multiple kills will award you with messages of people telling you to "Learn how to actually kill instead of spraying and praying!". I know that the amount of hackers that play are baffling even for FPS standards but goddamn...there are some people who don't use hacks and are just somewhat competent at the game, guys. And this isn't even mentioning the whole FanDumb over what weapons are a GameBreaker and what are not...

Kilgore Trout just arrived here from the StarWars {{Narm}} page. As you'd expect, there was an entry on Vader's BigNo. A troper observed that you'd think if anybody could pull off a BigNo without it becoming {{Narm}}, it would be JamesEarlJones. A second troper joked "That's not James Earl Jones, that's Hayden Christensen with a voice changer!" Which brought along the StopHavingFunGuy, who got rid of both contributions in the name of eliminating natter, and said if something was wrong to delete it. Tropers who really, truly believe in what it says at the bottom of this page (Ergh! Stop editing {{Stop having fun guys}} to be funny, make it sincere and straight!) are something of a BerserkButton for me.

I hear ya. Someone went to ''TroperTales/BatmanGambit'' and deleted the only real specific examples of people performing the trope and kept the examples of people boasting they can perform the trope. The guy had the nerve to claim he was curating. The Stop Having Fun Guys troper probably deleted those examples because they were negative, like anyone performing a Batman Gambit isn't a manipulative bastard already. Not everything in Troper Tales can be warm and fuzzy.

This troper's brother is like this with EVERY GAME. In D&D, when he DMs I can only play the basic races/classes, but our Munchkin friend does whatever he pleases. Once, he played a Lich Sorceress who would openly try to kill me, but any time I retaliated, I was stopped for 'inter-party conflict'. When I DM, he acts like an idiot (openly killing people, etc.) and when I punish him, he's "acting his character". In Brawl, my brother will only play Metaknight and edge guard like it's the only thing he can do, but I play Marth and use counter, and I'm 'cheap'.

This is the reason this troper is on the verge of quiting Pokémon . A friend of mine told me this, when I suggested the possibility of training a Castform: "Y'know, Pokemon is not for training what you like, but to train what your team needs". He insist that if I want to train something on NU then look up to better Pokes, ignoring the fact that I really like Castform. Oh, and when I trained a Porygon-Z? Another guy pointed "Why Porygon if there's Gengar?" Nevermind that it's my game. I must say I respect things like EV training, IV/Nature breeding and competitive tiers, but in the end, it's just a FREAKING GAME!!! If I bought the game it's because I wanna have fun, not because it's "what my team needs"...

This troper was big into {{Diablo}} 2 years ago. I'd played around with a few other classes, but really came into my own as a Necromancer. I had a friend was a mild and well-intentioned StopHavingFunGuy in that he just wanted to help me be a strong player, but had very strict ideas about how to be one. He was never mean, just sort of insistent. And besides, he helped gather some primo loot to kit my character out in and was a genuinely good guide through the game. Anyway, fast-forward to when I'm starting to max out my levels and pretty much uniformly kicking ass. A random StopHavingFunGuy starts laying into me. "Why are you using a blood golem? Use metal! Why are you using Iron Maiden? Use other curses! Why are you maxing out Bone Spirit? That spell is useless!" I wasn't in his party; I was in a totally different corner of the map. It just rankled him that someone on the same map (GASP!) might not be doing exactly what he would do. It got super-annoying when he kept trying to challenge me to duels just to "prove" how shitty my build was and that once I lost, I'd see he was right. Sure. Because the Necromancer with constantly regenerating health and an army raised from the (many) corpses of his enemies really really needs your help, dude. It's as if the idea that I like my way better was totally unacceptable to him.

Byakushiki and {{Ace Combat}} 6 online. God forbid the number of people who use idolmaster planes (that have basically...super-mega-beyond the impossible physics to their movements...) and spam QAAM(imagine {{Macross Missile Massacre}}, and you have the idea of what I'm dodging every few seconds). They really think that that's the only way to play, in a way that needs no skill at all(Sounds like metaknight on SSBB, doesn't it?), and to top it off: I got laughed at for using a different style, ROT Typhoon, which later turned into hilarity for the amount of beatdown(infact, most points on my team) I dished out, despite my team losing. ROT Typhoon/XLAA: 1. StopHavingFunGuys/Whatever they were using lol: 0.

A weird set of StopHavingFunGuys I ran into on ''LeagueOfLegends''. I've run into people who insist you're only "allowed" to play as a champion listed as "Medium" or "hard". But I just ran into two players who took this UpToEleven. Instantly, they pick Orianna and Cassiopeia, who're listed as the hardest champions in the game according to Riot. I select Miss Fortune but don't lock in because I accidentally have my caster masteries and runes up. I notice both of them saying "wtf MF? Pick a real carry!" Then someone else locks in as Master Yi. Then they go "OMG! Yi you noob!" Yi then RageQuit in disguist. I somehow wind up with them ''AGAIN'' and I decide since my caster masteries are still up and I'm lazy, I'll pick Veigar. Then instantly I'm chewed out because "Veigar is for noobs" and to "pick a REAL mage like [=LeBlanc=]." I RageQuit in disgust like Master Yi did. It's also pretty funny because despite being listed as "hard", [=LeBlanc=] is actually even ''easier'' than Veigar.

The WoW forums have a lot of people like this. Have fun chiming in on a discussion and being blasted after they look at your armory and point out every little flaw, whether it's relevant to the situation or not (hint: it usually isn't). If someone complains about the hit cap being so hard to hit and then someone else calls them out on having 0 hit enchants or reforging, then that's a valid use of the armory, but if you argue against someone who is complaining that they're class is weak and they point out that you gemmed crit instead of int instead of a real rebuttal, then there's no helping them.

The Sonic Fan Game Community was and maybe still is this way. Edgy was once a member of a fan game team, named Manic Team. We were criticized for our personal variations from the usual Sonic game formula and our original character designs which were not recolored sprites. Apparently, every Sonic fangame needs to be made the same way.

So many {{scrub}}s in this page... yeesh. Incom here. I'm a competitive Brawl player. NONE of us that are REMOTELY good (and I'm not particularly good) are like that. The only StopHavingFunGuys are simply mad that either 1. Brawl has tripping (and took out stuff) or 2. are total scrubs (in both the "n00b" and "ban everything" sense). Everything banned in competitive play is banned for a reason (items are off to reduce randomness, stages like Temple are off because the faster character can run away forever, et cetera). Most of us "play to win" because money is on the line. Midtier characters win surprisingly often (there were as many Sonics in MLG Dallas' top 8 as there were Meta Knights). Tier lists are neither set in stone nor are they the same from person to person (I play Sonic because I do my best with Sonic--I use MK on occasion, usually when facing Lucario or another bad matchup, but my Sonic is probably better). So on behalf of competitive, non-SHFG Brawlers: we put up with hate from Melee players, we're ostracized on Shoryuken... please don't add any more. (And I for one won't judge on items, some of them are pretty legit). Thanks~

I could agree with this. After all, it's the Melee competitive players that are the Stop Having Fun Guys once you think it about. Competitive playing rules make sense in tourneys of course. No argument there.

Averted for this troper in {{Team Fortress 2}}. I have played for a total of one day on three servers, and nobody seems to have begrudged me for playing heavy or medic. In fact, everyone seems to be cordial and understanding. In fact, one of my friends was able to pull off a Spy-MEDIC team effectively. In short, everyone on the servers play for fun. The kicker? I found these servers from the random "join-a-game function"