Somewhat different, but in the same vein. This troper's dad thinks she can speak chinese better than her sisters because she was born in Taiwan, whereas her sisters where born in the US

One of this Asian troper's friends was discussing playing ''StreetFighter IV'' with an "Asian guy who beat him with his hands tied behind his back." Said troper threatened to quit video games as a TakeThat to the stereotype, and one other friend was surprised to know that people besides this troper were better than him at ''{{Tetris}}: The Grand Master''. Despite trying to convince people that there are white gamers who are better than him at video games, this troper failed to get people to shut up about the idea that Asians being automatically good at video games. Said troper's friend egged him further, saying, "sorry...but it's so true!", which [[strike:kinda ruins the whole point of apologizing in the first place.

Okay, here's a screenshot of ''DanceDanceRevolution Extreme'' after my Caucasian friend and I played a three-song set. Guess which side of the machine I was playing on.

The left?

Pretty much anytime a male volunteers to do something in this troper's science class, the teacher always says, "How about a response from someone without a Y-chromosome?" This is despite the fact that all the smartest kids in the class are girls, so most of the time females are the ones volunteering anyway.

Not to mention that studies have found that the reason why teachers call on males more often than females is because, well, males are less likely to volunteer. Negative psychology works very well here. (This troper has used this carefully to manage to avoid being called on when this was not desired.)

This (male) troper agrees about males being called on more often, and has managed to perfect just ''fading into the background'' to avoid being called on. Even though I usually know the answer, except in maths.

Odd. Back in High School my teachers usually tried to make everyone participate at least a little, but those that participated the most were a tiny handful of male students (myself included). I'm fairly certain the girls got better grades on average though, by quite a wide margin actually, only a tiny handful of guys actually knew most of the answers.

It's a complete reversal of when I was in school. Back then, males were more likely to volunteer first, so teachers were encouraged to wait until a girl raised her hand. They based this on studies that said girls only seemed less likely to volunteer because they weighed their answers more carefully than boys. Boys would rather raise their hand and guess at the answer than stay quiet. As a result, it took longer for girls to raise their hands. Perhaps boys volunteer less these days because they feel ignored by the teacher and no longer try.

ThisTroper has a similar story, I actively volunteer in class and many of the students believe I'm the kid who knows everything in said class.

This Black troper was lamenting the many, many negative stereotypes that come associated with being Black. A German pointed out to him that there was one very positive rumor about the "capabilities" of Black men. Said troper had to smile.

I sure wish someone told this black troper

This Mexican Jew troper knows this kind of stories: Just because I'm a jew I HAVE TO BE good with numbers, right?

Oh, and, by the way: we're not a girl you want to bring at the prom, so stop finding excuses to hail us! We're normal people, you know, some of us are good and some of us are bad and ''noting the latter is not NAZISM''.

Good point, but what if you ''are'' a girl we want to take to the prom? :)

Before coming out, this gay troper was once complimented on his clothes by being told he had "the fashion sense of a gay man". The person saying it meant it as a sincere compliment, which actually made it worse. Then there's all the times people have assumed: I am liberal on all social issues, have encyclopedic knowledge of literature/music/culinary arts/etc, instinctively know whether someone else is gay or bi, can go toe-to-toe with a professional dancer, or that I enjoy helping women pick out shoes. BTW, not all of us are kindhearted and nurturing. You'd be amazed at how many women (and men) get dumped (or just have a bad day), come to me for consoling, then are increasingly surprised as the conversation rapidly goes from fake pity, to mock pity, to veiled put downs, to bone-cutting insults and sometimes even ends with a list of reasons why they deserve their misfortune.

Above troper, that's just really rude in any circumstance.

This gay troper agrees. The girls' hearts are in the right place as opposed to hating someone for being gay, but many of them are more interested in the perceived coolness of having a PetHomosexual than genuinely getting to know someone. It never occurs to them that maybe I'd rather stay home and play ''CallOfDuty'' than go with them to watch ''New Moon.'' I'll be your friend, but I won't be your ''gay'' friend.

Do people really do this? My sister's best friend is a gay guy, but she doesn't treat him different from anyone else. He's a really cool guy too, and although he is probably the nicest guy I know he doesn't fit any other gay stereotypes.

Yes, it happens quite a bit. The FagHag page goes into plenty of detail about it. But you ''are'' right that not every gay man is an insecure priss looking for a mother figure in an equally-insecure cow.

Thirded by this gay troper. The positive discrimination can get so bad that if he makes ''a single boob joke'' or says anything about his being a YuriFanboy, some women will accuse him of really being ''straight'' and lying about liking BoysLove, etc. to get into their pants. Fortunately, most of his actual female friends (instead of the UnwantedHarem that pops up around him at anime conventions) avoid this trope and like him for ''him''.

It really irritates this troper when a man swears and then apologises to all the women in the room, because of course we'd faint if we heard such horrible words. In fact the whole concept of chivalry is actually positive discrimination.

That is taking it too far, but 1. chivalry isn't just about how to treat women, it's a code for how to interact in social situations, and 2. I don't think that concepts like holding the door for a women or paying for dinner or refusing to hit them even if they deserve it are somehow sexist.

It is sexist. These are double standards, and this wiki itself can tell you that a DoubleStandard is often sexist.

Call it sexist if you like, but I will not apologize for treating a lady the way she should be treated. That said, if she doesn't treat you like the gentleman you are trying to be, she ain't no lady.

To this troper, it's just polite. You hold the door open for everyone, you offer to pay for dinner, and you don't hit people. The fact that roughly 50% of the time it's women on the receiving end of the politeness doesn't change the fact that being polite isn't being sexist.

FFS. I am so sick of seeing the same discussion happen every time a woman points out that the concept of "chivalry" ''as it survives today'' is sexist. No one's talking about medieval codes of behavior, and no one's talking about obviously courteous practices like generally not slamming doors on people. '''They're talking about men treating women with extra delicacy because they're women.''' Which is a double standard. Which is sexist. If you can think of a whole bunch of examples of when the same behavior ''wouldn't'' be sexist, good for you. You don't need to list them. We already know about them. They are not what we mean.

Let this male troper show you his perspective on this so you can perhaps get a more balanced view. Treating women extra nice just because they are women may be sexist in principle, but it is not either in intent or execution. Fact is we men have to hold the door for women, we have to offer to pay for dinner, we have to not swear in front of women, etc., etc., because it is expected of us. Let me reiterate that. If we men do not do that than most women will assume we are jerks. Our first date will be our last. It is expected that we treat women like that if we ever want to get into bed or even be viewed as "gentlemen" and be respected as men. When a woman complains and calls it sexist it mostly comes as a shock, because most women expect it of us men and complain if we don't hold the door for them and offer to pay for dinner and shit. You know how it is expected that men are supposed to buy women gifts like diamonds and shit? Yeah, that's not our choice, we could spend that money on something useful like a nice high def tv (right now I'm looking at those new stereoscopic 3d sets), but we are required. It's not upholding the patriarchy, we would love if things were equal and we didn't have to be the ones doing all the work in the relationship. Think about that next time your boyfriend buys you something nice. (Mind you, I don't really mind buying nice things for my girlfriend and all that, it's a show of affection, I just hate it when suddenly it makes me a sexist pig).

I'm sorry, but I stopped taking in your argument the moment you said that it wasn't sexist but required of us. Is that it's required not sexism?

File under "patriarchy hurts men too" and recognize that we're talking about the same thing. I don't have relationships where a guy buys me "diamonds and shit" (I don't even wear jewelry -- or shit -- but that's a different conversation) in exchange for sex and protection from accusations of sexism. You are not "required" to have those relationships either. Buy your high-def TV and find a woman who also appreciates high-quality electronics, and I'll keep buying my own dinner and find a man who likes, I don't know, ''{{Blackadder}}'' or whatever.

You talk like it is that easy to go against societal conventions. Like I said, I don't mind buying jewelry for my girl, it is the fact that it is expected of me that irks me. The whole idea of "patriarchy" is bullshit. The vast majority of our social institutions are biased in favor of women in order to right some perceived wrong. Women don't just have the advantage in relationships, they also have better opportunities in education, benefiting from affirmative action and scholarships and grants that only apply to women. They also win out in divorces, being far more likely to get things like alimony and being granted custody of the kids most of the time too. Any talk about sexism against women in modern America is full of it.

Oh, for Christ's sake. Here, click around and learn something.

Interesting link. Unlikely to change my opinion, but I'm open minded. I'll check it out. Mind you I'm all for equality, I just don't buy that there is that much inequality anymore. Certainly I don't see much institutionalized inequality, except for the numerous examples that actually favor women, but I will accept that there might be de facto or cultural inequalities. Edit: Checked it out. Not impressed. I'm all for equality, but that site doesn't seem to encourage free and rational discussion, but simply repeats ideology without justification. It simply isn't capable of convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with them.

It never ceases to irritate me when people like the above start complaining that "waaah, us mens have it soooo hard! But being a woman is a walk in the park." I'm not denying that sexism against men exists, but please don't start spewing bullshit about how no one is ever sexist against women anymore and everyone is trying to put the poor, helpless men down. And to be honest, it doesn't surprise me that you don't think there's much inequality against women, when, as a man, you've probably never had a car salesman laugh in your face when you try to explain that you can, in fact, drive stick, or had 90% of mechanics start telling you that you need to pay some ridiculous amount of money to change your "headlight fluid" or some crap like that, or had miscellaneous salesmen overcharge me because they figure "aha, a woman! I bet she's a moron and doesn't actually know how much this stuff costs, let's see how much cash we can squeeze out of her!"

So you wanted to buy a vehicle with stick-shift and he laughed in your face? So... worst salesman ever?

Basically it boils down to both sexism and a doublestandard that works both ways. It's sexist against men to tell them they must be X even though at the same time it's also sexist against woman to tell them they must accept X.

After checked that link, this Trooper learned just how much the idea of "Patriarchy" is complete bullshit. Ideology without justification indeed.

This troper does it because he's attracted to women. I am not treating them differently. They just happen to benefit from how I treat myself.

I don't know if I have bad luck or if women like the Troper of above are in the vocal minority (though it also doesn't help that I've only had a few dates). But I've always been told to do things like pay for the whole date and whatnot. One wallbangery example is where I ended up paying for the movie, snacks AND dinner by myself... and she was the only one between us with a job. I didn't think of it much at first, but later, Fridge Logic kicked in and made me feel like a tool. I've been pretty afraid of asking out another chick for a date afterwards, because now I'll have to 1.)Not get rejected and 2.)Hope that she's willing to pay her weight. Then there's the whole asexual thing and whatever problems that may bring up. But hey, times are changing, so my chances may be greater(for the later, not the former).

I grew up with a father that liked to hit women, a lot. I would never hit a woman even if she deserved it (which in my book is incredibly rare as I am quite a non-violent person), not because they're "delicate", but because it would be too much of an emotional trigger for me. On the other hand, I don't want to be seen as sexist because that's a trigger too (albeit to a lesser extent). What can I do?

For what it's worth, this troper doesn't mind it when guys hold the door open for her. After all, in her mind they aren't being condescending, just nice. When it comes to paying for dinner, whoever asked the other out pays. She actually finds all the fuss other women make over things like that kind of silly.

You know what? Here's my opinion. Stop dating women just to get laid and go and find a smart, likeminded girl. There's millions of reasons I'd only date tomboy nerd girls, and this sums up a few of the reasons.

In my opinion, it's the intent that matters. If the man holds the door open and offers to pay and such and you've not given any notice of disliking such, it's not very fair to get pissed off. However, if you inform them of that, and they still insist on it, then you have more of a right to get annoyed. I be polite when possible regardless of gender, holding doors open and such, so it isn't always because of chivalry. Regarding the above about women not getting treated seriously and having an advantage in a lot of areas, and vice versa for men: it isn't going to go away anytime soon. Just hope it balances out in the end, and realise you live in one of the first generations in history where you have so few problems that discrimination is up near the top of the list.

This troper is irritated people STILL ask him several times an outing if I `need to take a break` after my kidney transplant last year.

I usually get irritated but also flattered but mostly irritated when this happens to me. It is ''really'' confusing when people say that you're flexible, well behaved, intelligent and kind because of course that's what ''all'' Asians are like.\\ >:-| :-) >:-( 8-|

I understand most of the stereotypes come from but what about Flexible?

Because this troper is a Texan, everyone assumes that I'm really good with aggressive tactics.

Chivalry can be embarrassing to those of us women who don't particularly want it. I was once late to breakfast at a youth group gathering. I went to the back of the line behind the boys... then someone shouted, "Hey guys, outta the way, there's another girl!" Cue a bunch of boys moving aside, many of them not particularly happy to do so but thinking it was expected of them. I wanted to stand there and say, "Cut it out, if I'm last to get here, I'm last in line - that's how it works," but goddamn high-school shyness got the better of me and I just scurried to the front...

Chivalry can be a form of positive discrimination FOR MEN; as in, certain assumptions are made about a man who holds doors, rises when a woman arrives or leaves a table, helps her with her coat, etc.

This decidedly non-chivalrous male troper would agree. I personally don't act chivalrous because I'm trying to avoid double standards, although things like holding doors I do out of niceness to everyone; however, I see some people who are jerkasses but still chivalrous who are seen as nice people. (Apologies if this sounds a little bitter, it's not meant to.)

This male troper once had an older female teacher who basically held that men should be expected to do these things for women. She was speechless the day I pointed out that this was incredibly sexist.

This troper is an Aspie, so people assume that I have awesome talents.

Well, given that in actual fact Asperger's tends to be diagnosed as "Autism with a high IQ", expecting a high IQ isn't that unexpected

and that folks is how stereotypes starts

This Troper is thought to be good at ballet dancing, gymnastics, cooking and cleaning simply because she's a girl. She can't do any. Well, she is good at cleaning, but just prefers not to (my room is a huge mess and I like it that way).

This troper grew up with her father due to her mother being completely irresponsible, often dangerously so. Somehow, my father still ended up making child support payments to my mother. And then they made her pay him too. It would actually cost more to go to court to get this fixed than it did to just pay these payments until I turned 18. One lawyer very explicitly told us that this is intentional, and the state very, very rarely retracts a child support payment requirement for this very reason.

This Asian troper had a really bad time in high school with this. She's definitely smart but lazy and forgetful, and is much more interested in pursuing a career in art or drama than the standard "Asian" professions like science, engineering, and law. When scholarships started going around in senior year, ''every Asian-specific scholarship was for one of those three fields.'' Or medicine, but that's the same kind of lucrative white-collar job as the other three. This, among other things, sent her into chronic depression--and she wasn't surprised when she found out the Asian-American suicide rate was absurdly high. Way to reinforce stereotypes, Education System.

This Troper has a few friends that jokingly talk about the whole Asians are awesome at video games thing. At one point, this troper makes a similar offhanded joking comment that more or less amounts to the same thing. Immediately, one friend pauses and then after a moment comments that they're quite shocked to hear this troper say something so racist. Apparently, being such a good member of my race, I don't even have N-word privileges?

Most people are shocked when this troper mentions that he's bi. Let me kind of paint a picture of myself for you so you'll understand: I'm fat, lazy, unkempt, and generally all-around unconcerned with my appearance. I'm not flamboyant or prissy. I don't know shit about style or fashion, and I'm not promiscuous at all. In fact, I've taken a sort of vow of celibacy because I'm afraid of complications that sex might bring(but let's not get into that). I also use "faggot" "queer" and "cocksucker" as insults. Generally, I look and act like the last person you would expect to drool over Brad Pitt's naked ass. So people are understandably(yet irritatingly) astounded when I mention one of the guys I've fucked or squee over an attractive man. Funny thing, though. After I tell them, they all scramble to try and accommodate my sexuality. They'll apologize more for saying "fag" even if they hear me say it not five minutes beforehand. I guess they think that it's only okay for me to say it or something, which is bullshit.

So, you know that stereotype that women are so pure and how most of us want to wait until we want babies to have sex and how we never think about such dirty, dirty acts? I'm not one of those women. Granted, I'm a virgin, and I will wait to have sex only with someone I know very well, but... I think about sex, all the time, every day. I just really hate the concept of how women are so "pure"... "Pure" my ass! XD

Same here!

One of the few postive stereotypes about Germans is that we are really neat and tidy. When this troper visited the US, people were shocked that she was a pig when it came to taking care of her place.

Something from school days, but this male troper was always incredibly irritated by the favourable treatment girls received from teachers, male and female alike. A guy flunked his test? Twist his ears. A girl flunked her test? Comfort her. A guy's talking in class? Make him stand out in the sun. A girl's talking in class? Scold her, but don't dare do something like kick her out of class. The worst part's where when the girls took advantage of this by sniffling whenever they were in trouble. The moment a girl's face crumpled up and tears appeared in her eyes, everyone was putty in her hands.