Hitler had straight parents!

I worked at a Senator's office answering phones. Whenever the President did... ANYTHING, we would get calls saying "Sounds an awful lot like Hitler/Stalin/whomever!"

This troper was in a history class when someone said something quite racist. Someone else said that the first person sounded like a Nazi. This troper replied "You know who else sounded like a Nazi? Every anchor on FOX News!" The class was so thrown off by the unexpected twist that they laughed for a solid minute and many still giggled occasionally throughout the remaining half hour.

On a MessageBoard, someone mentioned Hitler loved dogs, therefore any kind of animal rights was wrong. The user also mentioned some scientists who merely worked in Nazi Germany believed smoking was harmful, therefore it was wrong to believe smoking was harmful.

Notably, the environmentalist leanings of the Nazis had more to do with misguided notions of creating an Aryan-dominated, pure, Edenic world than with compassion for animals.

Hitler ''was'' also an anti-smoker and teetotaller, but frankly those come a long way down the list of his vices.

Did Hitler like cats too?

On another board, someone said a certain politician was a rousing speaker. Someone supported the other party, but instead of giving a legitimate response, such as speaking well is not proof of leadership, that user responded with "Hitler gave good speeches, too."

This sort of argument became fashionable for a week or two when an American presidential candidate gave a speech at Nuremberg. It didn't make any more sense then, either.

It may not make much sense in saying that a good speaker must be like Hitler, but when hearing this sort of phrase in this sort of context, he usually takes it as meaning good speaking skills don't make a good person/politician.

Especially because, when you think about it, Hitler was an ''excellent'' politician. He wouldn't have been able to actually accomplish half of the stuff he did if he wasn't. It's just that he was an excellent ''evil'' politician.

Common thought expressed on (at least) one MMORPG forum: "Just because that other game does it doesn't make it bad."

Of course, the converse, "They did it, clearly this game must too!" is equally frequently expressed, using similar logical patterns (If other game has lots of people, implementing its features will give this one lots of people..).

The {{Achaea}} forums. If someone suggests a new feature, and another Iron Realms Entertainment game already has that feature, then they are wrong for suggesting it.

Off course, on one forum, someone commented on [=WoW's=] popularity with the popularity of a certain political leader.

This troper recalls an email forward arguing (satirically) that bread was the leading cause of crime because 98% of prison inmates report having eaten bread as a child.

A better example can be found in one of the many articles about violence in videogames: 90% of people eat bread before committing a crime.

Living in a conservative family, this troper very often hears the argument that Hitler banned citizens from owning firearms in Nazi Germany, therefore gun control is evil.

This example shows the actual ''harm'' of the reductive nature of this trope. In fact, Hitler's "gun control" policy was more a move to reduce the number of people capable of killing him/overthrowing the regime. So while it ''is'' valid to question the motives of those trying to restrict guns, gun control itself is not inherently bad.

Hitler's gun control policy actually made it much easier for the average German citizen to acquire a firearm. Unless they were Jewish.

Not to get into a second amendment debate here, but the reason the "right to bear arms" is in the US constitution is EXPLICITLY so that the government would be afraid of a popular rebellion. The theory was that governments were less likely to be oppressive if they were afraid of their people. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is still up for debate though.

Look up the Whiskey Rebellion. The same Founders that wrote the Second Amendment put down that popular rebellion, and tried several of its leaders successfully for treason. It doesn't look to me that they thought the purpose of the Second Amendment was to arm popular rebellions.

Have a good look at your Second Amendment. The part about "a well-regulated militia". That amendment actually specifically provides for gun control. Not a complete banning of them, but speaking as an Australian, the second amendment might not mean what people think it means.

[=* =] Did you even READ the Second Amendment? It doesn't say "the right of the militia". It says "the right of the PEOPLE" to keep and bear arms.

Seconded. The amendment says that it's necessary in order to maintain a militia but the explicit wording is that Congress cannot infringe on the people's right to bear arms. Whatever the purpose, the wording states unequivocally that Congress cannot make gun control laws. All gun control laws must be made by the state in order to be considered legal.

I've always been told that those words are more like a non-sexual version of GetTheeToANunnery than a call for gun control, "well-regulated" at the time supposedly meaning "well-trained". Could be wrong, I'll admit. I've never considered it an important enough issue to bother verifying.

[=* =] One doesn't need to look at the constitution so much as the Supreme Court's rulings on how to interpret it (which is exponentially more important). As of June 26, 2008, the first part of the second amendment ("well-regulated militia") is not as important as the second part ("right of the people to keep and bear arms") when it comes to Americans owning firearms (or more specifically Americans owning handguns in Washington D.C.). There are reaching implications in the ruling of ''District of Columbia v Heller,'' but those will be sorted out in the courts over the next decade or so (such as how strict can gun control go).

[=* =] Because the founding fathers would TOTALLY include in something they wrote in response to claims the constitution didn't protect peoples rights, 9 amendments on controlling the government and 1 giving the government a power is already had in the constitution proper... Makes about as much sense as every moonbat policy...

Oh come now, clearly it means that everyone has the right to a pair of bear's arms! Now can we move on?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That is the actual 2nd amendment. So, point is, it is really up to interpretation, but the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed could be interpreted as a direct contradiction of 'a well regulated militia' so the whole argument is stupid anyway and we should instead focus on how it would affect us and works in the world now, not on the phrasing of this amendment.

The main idea behind the Second Amendment is that it's more to keep the government in check than to have anything to do with the rights of the citizens - it gets lost in the wording a little bit since we don't talk like that anymore, but it says that Americans have the right to bear arms, because if the government becomes oppressive, they may need to form a citizen's militia and use them to overthrow said government.

Hitler outlawed abortion, even sometimes giving them the death penalty in "extreme cases". Granted, he only wanted more Aryan babies to be born, but still... ''Hitler was "pro-life", too''.

Hitler made laws that mandated abortions for women with hereditary diseases and unwanted ethnicities. Of course, ''forced'' abortions can't exactly be called 'Pro-Choice'.

"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!"

So, he wasn't pro-choice because he outlaw abortions from Aryans, and he wasn't pro-life because he required abortions from "Untermenschen", really "anti-choice" is the only accurate description.

Alternately, Anti-Life.

One environmentalist (whose logical leaps are usually one-step removed from this trope) lamented the invention of powered flight because Churchill/Hitler/Stalin/Reagan/Bush has used planes to drop bombs on people. Planes/War, War/Planes, just like that.

One StrawFeminist at my college said porn was bad because fighter pilots would watch some right before going on a bombing run. Porn=Bombs I guess.

This troper likes to turn this trope on its head when dealing with people who advocate the censorship of video games because "games cause violence" by asking, '''"What was Hitler's favourite video game?"'''

Come on, everyone knows that {{Halo}} ''invented'' Hitler.

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''"{{Adolf Hitler}} is perhaps the ultimate barometer of good and evil. If Hitler thought that something was good, chances are that it is evil."'' --My western civilization professor

TakeThat, landscape painting!

Hitler was an atheist, therefore atheists are evil. I heard it so many times.. (note that it's not even true - Hitler was a Christian)

He was, however, not a very good Christian (as in, he neither followed the dogma of Christianity very well, nor the whole "''Don't'' kill people" thing).

It's more likely that the correct answer is none of the above. If anything, Hitler was a religious opportunist - using everything from Catholicism to Protestantism to Atheism to Germanic Paganism to even Islam, as long as he could warp aspects of each into his Aryan-centred philosophy. He certainly didn't faithfully or devoutly practice any religion in its entirety, either (Hitler was hardly a Christian, he referred to it as a "weak" religion). I think we can all agree he was just insane.

Point of fact: A Christian is a person who believes in the resurrection of Jesus Christ and follows His laws. Hitler definitely didn't follow the laws and it's debatable as to whether or not he believed.

He notably made substantial attempts to destroy both atheism and the church. The Nazi party was originally a magical Thule society, but he also thought magic was rather foolish. The only constant was his belief in his country. And a hate of the Jews. In his table talks, he noted that Christianity was an invention of the Jews, a fairly accurate statement.

Hitler espoused "positive Christianity", focusing on Jesus's strength and forcefulness, rather than His passive death. He also claimed that Christ was a white Scandinavian, and looked down on the inferior Jews. Also, he chose April 30 to kill himself, which is Walpurgisnacht.

Umm... The way that This Troper learnt it, Hitler created his own church, focused on the glories of the third reich.

He did not. I suppose you mean the "German Christians", but that "church" was founded before Hitler ascended to power. He did support it, though. But that is actually not of interest here. The thing is that many say Hitler was an Atheist, which he was not (and even if he was, it wouldn't say anything about atheists). If he was a Christian or not is a bit beside the point.

This REAL Christians of the world would like to unequivocally state that that ------ Hitler '''was not, will never be, nor could ever be''' one of us.

You guys don't get to decide what constitutes a "real Christian". Anybody who calls himself a Christian is a Christian. Your God will know His own.

I agree with "God will know His own," but saying anyone who calls himself a Christian (or, for that matter, a believer in any faith) is one is still poor logic. If I call myself a mathematical genius but cannot count to ten, am I really a mathematical genius because I say so?

Mathematics is not a belief. Christianity is. Everyone who thinks he is one, is one.

However, a Christian isn't just someone who believes himself to be one- it's someone who follows the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, which we can all agree Hitler failed miserably at.

By that logic, a lot of people currently claiming to be Christians aren't actually Christians.

Exactly.

This is starting to sound an awful lot like the No True Scotsman fallacy, in that you guys are so desperate to prove that Christians are morally superiour to everyone and never do any wrong ever that when shown an example of a Christian who does do wrong, you just handwave it away with "well, he wasn't a ''real'' Christian."

Not necessary morally superiour. Christianity is one of many religions/systems of belives that puts an emphasis on 'being good'. Christian is someone who belives in Jesus and follows him. Following Jesus includes 'being good'. Ergo being christian involves 'being good' BUT 'being good' not necessary involves being Christian.

Also, the teachings and rules in the religion are open to interpretation. If "thou shalt not kill" was exactly accurate, no-one would be a Christian, not even Jesus, because everyone kills bacteria in his lifetime. So, someone who interprets it to mean "thou shalt not kill any humans expect everyone you don't like" is not more incorrect than anyone who thinks it means "thou shalt not kill any humans". Hitler even took the last one but had no problems with Jews because they're subhuman (in his mind, anyway). So yes, if he thought himself to be Christian, he was. But, as stated before, that whole Christian or not thing is beside the point

Except that the ten commandments are the rules of interacting with ''people''. Leviticus has the rules for interacting with animals.

The proper translation is "thou shalt not *murder* ". Chalk it up to King James being a good start, but not much past that.

This troper thinks that it is sad the Christians are denying Hitler is one of them while Muslims will admit that Osama bin Laden is one of them. Look Hitler was a Christian stop trying to deny that. And to all you atheists out there Stalin was an atheist as was Mao who were arguably much worse than hitler.

Actually, no. Hitler once stated Christianity "was a great lie" and that it was a tool to control people. He also dabbled in witchcraft. He was a theist, but not in the religious sense. He wanted to assassinate the pope even.

Actually yes he was a Christian. Rudolf Hess even describes him as a "nice Catholic". In Mein Kampf he is describs himself as doing the Lord's work. Why can't you Christians seem to realize that Hitler was a Christian. Stalin though was an atheist so I guess you could use him instead.

See the above points about Hitler cynically adopting whatever articles or elements of faith he thought would help him at the time; ''Mein Kampf'' was written well before Hitler got to power, Germany was a very strongly Christian nation at the time, and what better way to try and persuade a lot of fairly devout Christians to follow you than to claim that you're "doing the Lord's work"?

So why did Rudolf Hess describe him as a nice Catholic again? Duh. Seriously why can't you just use Stalin?

Mode}} You're right. I can't possibly think of a reason Rudolph Hess might want to say something good about Hitler...

Look, we can agree that, Catholic/Christian/whatever or not, it's not a good idea to say Hitler was a part of your religion, except for other people to use that as cannon fodder against your religion. It just doesn't sound great to say "Hitler was a Christian" if you '''are''' a Christian, because it makes your religion...well, you get what I mean. Whatever Hitler was, we can all also agree that he was an awful person who certainly did, from our viewpoint, some extremely un-Christian things. Can we just drop this discussion there? It's starting to go in circles.

Even Stalin doesn't work, really. Stalin gave the Russian Orthodox Church great prominence in Soviet society (it wasn't outlawed until after he died), and according to his daughter, actually attended church regularly, always going to confession. Mao, on the other hand, WAS an atheist.

Stalin only tolerated the Orthodox Church during WWII to protect moral during the struggle. Before that and after that he opposed it harshly. It was during Stalin's reign that the League of the Militant Godless came up with a five year plan for the complete elimination of Orthodox Church in the USSR, and the number of Orthodox Churches fell from "29,584 to less than 300". And extremely apropos to both these discussions is page 310 of the ''God Delusion'' where he points out that Stalin was an atheist and that in the same sentence that Hess said Hitler was a "good Catholic", he also said Hitler was "full of profound kindness" and "has an unusually honorable character" where he was obviously mistaken on both counts. Why would you assume him to be right then on the third point? Starting out 0/2 shouldn't give you overwhelming confidence in the rest of his assessment.

1) A big thing in Christianity is that if you truly believe that Christ is the son of god etc etc etc, then you are kinda 'forgiven' and so could really do whatever you want, so in theory if, at his death, Hitler REALLY believed in Christianity, officially speaking, he would be a Christian. Not to mention, as a belief, you can claim to be whatever you want and if you believe it you kinda are- If I believe my mother is the god of fishing then I'm technically a devout follower of the my mom is the god of fishing religion. 2) Hitler was insane, and, as stated before, apparently was a member of almost every religion ever conceived if he could work it into his twisted world view.

Okay, no offense, but the whole "Oh, if you just believe in Jesus then you can slaughter innocents and rape twenty people but you'll still be forgiven" is wrong, and the result of being too damn lazy to look it up. That is not how it works. Yes, you can be forgiven for your sins, but you'd have to ''prove'' you're sorry for them first of all, you'd have to practically kill yourself by making amends second of all, and third, there's Purgatory, which is like temporary hell. And also, I won't deny that there are such things as evil Christians, just like how people of ''any'' religion are capable of being wrong, amoral, or even {{Complete Monster}}s. We are not AlwaysLawfulGood, and I'll admit that.

Couldn't have been a roman catholic, at least. They're much more into works than faith.

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Yeah, Hitler's kind of a weird case in the theist vs. atheist debate. Someday, he'd say that religion is awesome, and on other days, he'd say that religion sucks.

What you're missing here is that Hitler was a real political guy. He wasn't even really an anti-Semite. But ''the voting majority at the time was'', so he made himself out to be one because it was politically expedient at the time. So naturally, his stance on religion would be tied into whatever was most convenient for him to say at the time. Surprisingly, no one who got a lot of media attention ever thought to try this one when they were accusing John Kerry of being a flip-flopper.

He was a real anti-Semite. Maybe not a ''racial'' anti-Semite of the kind Nazism propagated, but definitely a genuine anti-Semite, and virually all historians agree on this. As for religion, it is clear that he was privately contemptuous of Judeo-Christianity even though he appealed to Christianity in his public speeches (regardless of the message), and planned to eradicate Chrstianity after the war. Religion was regarded mainly as an important propaganda and ideological tool and could be perverted to the desired end (eg. when they too over the Protestant Churches, the Nazi's propogated ideas like Jesus not being a Jew).

Something virtually every historian agrees on is that Hitler was a pathological liar with a talent for telling whatever his audience at the time wanted to hear. He's on record as having contradicted himself dozens of times on the subject of religion, and in the end, the only thing we can be sure he believed in was himself.

An Albanian folk saying states that "The true religion of an Albanian is being an Albanian." You'll hear it there today when Christian and Muslim people talk about their nation. Why do I point this out? Because if you swap in the word "German" for "Albanian" in the previous quote, you'll have a closer approximation of the only real belief Hitler was consistent about.

Hitler was a pagan you'll find if you do enough research.

If you look more closely, he regarded the magic of his fellow Nazis, and their paganism as silly. He did however believe that he was the embodiment of the German nation, of the spirit of their aryanism through the centuries. He was probably compensating for his sexual inadequacy. Only had one ball.

Actually, with regards to Christianity, I'd like to point out rather anally that the whole idea that you have to believe that Jesus was the son of god, or everyone's own personal saviour, or whatever, is an idea mostly popularised by US Protestants. Arians (not Aryans) for instance were Christians, but contested the divinity of Jesus. All it takes for someone to be a Christian is for them to believe in the Jewish god and to follow the teachings of one of his Christs (or Messiah: meaning Annointed, which, like Buddha, is not actually one dude's name but a title, in this case given to anyone who is on a MissionFromGod). If you believe that Jesus was a Christ and that he was doing something on behalf of god and you follow his word, you're a Christian. If you believe Joan of Arc's voices were really god telling her what to do and you follow here word, you're also a Christian. As for Hitler specifically he was technically Roman Catholic, but only by virtue of the fact that it is standard practice in Roman Catholicism to consider anyone who was baptised a Roman Catholic part of the Church until they either openly say they're leaving or they get excommunicated. Hitler was, by all accounts, not a practising participant of any single religion however.

Just to add another variation of "Hitler religion" thing, I heard a conspiracy theories saying that he and the current pope plotted the holocaust, take it with a grain of salt.

The pope directly opposed Hitler murdering individuals. It was because of the Pope and catholics that Hitler's mass euthansia projects (mostly) ended in 1941. Regardless of what you believe about the Popes, few would argue that they're almost always very, very pro life. Hitler never got on that well with the catholic church. They had a firm morality. Protestants could be swayed and perverted into "positive christianity", but Catholics were told by the Pope that abortion was evil, euthanasia (willing or unwilling, unwilling in the Nazi case) was evil. The Pope believed what he said, so, mass murdering Jews would be out. Exactly how much they did to help the Jews is a matter of complex and long debate, though. In Poland, and other places, the Catholic Church directly came out against Hitler, and they got slaughtered and sent to concentration camps, so it was tricky.

This atheist troper would like to point out how this conversation has become a perfect example of Godwin's Law.

This slightly anti-religion troper would like to point out how lovely the world could be without all this religious argumentative mess. Yay!

And this Catholic troper will pray for your dumb ass! God bless you.

Hitler was a Catholic. And a eugenist. Go figure.

This troper had what could only be called a "reverse HitlerAteSugar" moment during a discussion he was involved with on a forum; the discussion was about a news article of a 2nd grader who got suspended for "sexual harassment" after he essentially gave someone a wedgie. This troper made a legitimate argument comparing recent treatment of kids in school to treatment of inmates in concentration camps (being forced to do certain things against your will, severe and often unfair and arbitrary punishments for what the "overseers" deemed an offence, etc.), but was solidly beaten down by everyone else for making the comparison, saying it was more "fair" and "accurate" to compare it to being in prison. Having been in jail himself, and seeing how the inmates are treated there, this troper is convinced the backlash was simply due to HitlerAteSugar syndrome.

I'm sorry, but any unironic comparison between an Western high school and a concentration camp is completely illegitimate. You might as well have invoked GodwinsLaw and accused your principal of being like Hitler.

This troper has encountered a variation of this with regards to the new motto of the U.S. Air Force: "Above All". Well, there's a very famous song that the Nazis appropriated as part of their propaganda (when it originally had absolutely NOTHING to do with them, mind), the "Deutschlandlied". In that song is the line "Deutschland, Deutschland uber Alles" ("Germany, Germany Above All"). Clearly, the Air Force are now all Nazis.

To be fair, that motto is pretty lame. Ha ha! I get it! You have airplanes.

Wait, wouldn't that motto suit NASA better? Is the air force trying to imply that their airplanes go higher than rockets?

Well, last year they had a long series of adds saying that the Airforce defended Air, Space, and Cyberspace. This troper saw that as evidence that Stargate was real.

This troper has been affectionately dubbed "Li'l Hitler" (based on the Robot Chicken skit) by her friends because she is a vertically challenged, half-Jewish vegetarian. (This troper is aware that Hitler wasn't for sure Jewish, but it makes for a silly nickname.)

This trope reader/troper has used this when discussing who we'd vote for in a class election (sort of, some kid just asked me to vote for two friends of his.) Since I had strong feelings of yandere-ness towards both of them (one was sort of my Rin, the other, his Asa-senpai; not fun), I ''refused'' to vote for the girl of the pair. When my friend reminded me they had good leadership skills, this is the exchange that went down: #QUOTE#Me: "Hitler had good leadership skills." #QUOTE#Friend: "It's just a class election." #QUOTE#Me: "You never know."

There is a running joke in my own family that, whenever someone mentions a characteristic associated with Hitler, e.g. being charismatic, the proper response is always, "You know who else did X? HITLER!"

This troper and her brother have taken that joke a bit further, referencing Hitler even when the situation doesn't apply. (Example: "You know who else never returned phone calls? HITLER!")

That's not taking it further at all. That's the same common joke, while the person above you actually has taken it further.

You know who else nitpicks? HITLER.

You know who else made a lot of Hitler Jokes? ''Churchill.''

In my philosophy class a student tried to explain to everyone why heroin shouldn't be considered as bad of a drug as pot. Everyone sat in awkward silence for a minute before I threw out "You know who else thought heroin was less of a drug? Hitler!" While everyone else was laughing the student tried to explain that pot wouldn't have existed during Hitler's time. Poor asshole just didn't get it.

How could that kid not know that Marijuana has been around for millenia?

Think about *why* he was trying to defend pot in the first place.

There's an in-joke among this Troper's friends where "HITLER!!!1!!" is the answer to everything. Except for "who wrote 'Mein Kapf'?" in which the answer is "I DON'T KNOW!!!11!!"

This troper managed to make a plausible argument for why "Faked the Moon Landing" conspiracy theorists are communists. We went to the moon to beat the Commies. The theorists are trying to belittle our achievements as a country. Those who would dare to mock the USA are Communists. Therefore, Conspiracy theorists are Communists!

This troper played with this a while back. There was a legitimate discussion going about Nazis, and I interjected, "You know who else was a Nazi? HITLER!"

Awhile ago, someone in this troper's Junior High School said to a teacher that he is a Nazi because he's blond-hair blue-eyes. Cue FacePalm and thoughts of kicking the moron out a window (this was before I gained control of my anger).

Hitler had a noxious flatulence problem that he remedied by cutting many meats out of his diet. That's something to remind my roommate: "Do you know who else had raunchy farts? Hitler!"

There's an old joke that starts out as an anti-drug message listing all the horrible things that can happen with pot. It ends with: #QUOTE# '''Elvis died on the pot. Pot kills!'''

I got this a lot, as somehow I got into an authoritative position. I loved my brown jacket. One day, a student comes in with an identical jacket, and one of the others says, "You can't wear that!" He asks why, the answer is, "That fascist bastard in charge wears the same jacket!"

People said they would be more scared of me in charge of a country than Hitler. So now, they refuse to wear sweats, shorts, sandals, t-shirts, zip-up sweatshirts, armbands, necklaces, belts, or jeans (interesting to see what they find that doesn't fall into those broad categories) because I wear them. Yes, the trope is now [=SomeRandomFreshmenAteSugar=].

In one week, you can have half of your school be naked, or admit their fallacy. Wear slacks, a button-up, a jumpsuit, a kilt, a skirt, a dress, a halter-top, a tube top, and every type of underwear. Oh, and a parka, a toga, a poncho...

The web video 'Worst Chair in America' cites that history is 'full of unscrupulous chairs', and includes the phrase 'Hitler had a chair' as an example. The invocation of the trope is of course intentional.

I remember the fact that when me and some of my friends discovered that Hitler wanted to be a painter, we made a poster saying with the words below it "Hitler wanted to be a painter, so throw those paintbrushes away and enjoy your life".

This troper's teacher was handing out an essay assignment on WWII after giving us a crapload of homework. Everyone was complaining and he said "Look I just want you guys to be well prepared for WWII." Someone else replied "You know who was well prepared for WWII? Hitler!"

This troper's high school government class teacher was a conservative, though he made fun of all politicians. He and his classes had a bit where, if they disagreed with his politics, the teacher would say "Just one question: Do you love Hitler?" It of course became the goal of students to twist his words and use the phrase against him.

Whenever someone tells this troper that they hate Pepsi I'll tell them, "You know who else drank Coke? Hitler." Why? First, Coca-Cola actually did business with the Nazis. The company created Fanta, their orange soda, in 1940 for the German market because they couldn't export the syrup for Coke to Germany. Second, No one ever bothers to check. At most, they'll see the company did business with them and assume it's Coke.

You know who else wanted to ban comparing things you don't like to the Nazis? Hitler did! So when you're calling me out on Godwin's Law, what you're doing is you're arguing with Hit... No, wait.

Hitler also believed that cars should be affordable. Just saying. The Volkswagen Beetle was built to his specifications, able to transport two adults and three children at 100kph and costing around the price of a small motorcycle.

This troper once had a conversation with her mother dealing with that. We were walking into a Rite-Aid when I stopped to admire an old-fashioned VW Bug.

My Mom: "You know, Hitler had the Volkswagon Beetle created because he wanted an affordable family car."

Me: "So what you're saying is, my favorite car, this car here, *gestures to bug* is the essentially the Holocaust Mobile."

My Mom: "...I guess."

Me: "Alright, good to know."

Made even funnier because the car in question was painted acid green and covered in flower stickers.

When This Trooper heard about complaints about the recent Astro Boy movie being CGI animated rather than being 'Live action' from a person she watched from dA, she made a joke about it, like wasn't DragonBallZEvolution live action?

Arguing with a Politics student, the student thought a recently elected politician was an idiot and in no way deserved to be in the position they were in. When I pointed out they were democratically chosen by "the people", her response: "Hitler was elected"!

Witch recently elected politician was?

The student's point wasn't that being elected was evil because Hitler was elected though, the student's point was that being elected doesn't necessarily signify worthwhile leadership. Which is true.

Hitler's associates went around crippling rival groups during the Machtergreifung though, so it wasn't like it was completely the will of the people that he rule the country. He was just the best remaining option in their opinion. Though obviously the point still stands that he was elected by the people, it isn't necessarily analogous to elections in which the candidates don't have powerful paramilitary groups supporting them through the campaign.

Hitler was NOT elected. The Nazi party was moderately successful in the November 1932 -- not to the point that they were a majority, but enough to attract the interests of other powers who wanted to use the Nazi's numbers for their own gain. Hitler was appointed chancellor by the president, just like every Weimar Republic chancellor before him.

Hitler was a closeted gay! Yeap, heard before, usually there is arguing that he din't married, wanted to go to art school and the killing of millions of homosexuals was he trying to cover up (never mind, that no one liked homosexuals at the time anyway). Now the twist? It was in a gay forum, and the guy was arguing that "homophobia was at lead him to genocide", some responses even said that the '''closeted''' gay that are evil. I am pretty sure the pure homophobic variant exist.

Hitler ''did'' have plenty of HoYay with Albert Speer (though that doesn't necessarily mean he was gay). The better aesop here might be "Don't attempt to suppress your sexuality by creating a fascist state".

Or how about "I don't care if you think you're the gayest thing since Marik and Bakura - don't kill the freaking Jews!"

Actually, he ''did'' get it on with women(well, at least one) - let's just say that "kinky" doesn't cut it for what he liked(I believe she was his cousin, though I could be wrong).

That was a strong case of DidNotDoTheResearch for the guy. Far less than 100,000, much less "millions" were sentenced and most were only sent to prison, not concentration camps. Those that were however, endured harsh treatment and 5000-15,000 died for their sexuality (not including those who were persecuted already as Jews), but that was because of the attitudes of the time, as you mentioned, not a personal grudge of Hitler's; they were abused by homophobic guards and even fellow concentration camp inmates. In fact, though his party's laws reflected the homophobic attitude of the party, Hitler at first did not sway personally to the anti-homosexual attitude, and in fact protected the accused SA members from them, until he felt threatened by Ernst Röhm and decided to use them to take Röhm down. After that anti-homosexuality became common, but those that were German were still viewed as Aryan, and could hope to avoid harsh persecution if they were "reformed" and had children. Anyway, my point was, until homophobia became politically convenient, Hitler was less homophobic than the average Nazi, so it being a cover doesn't make sense.

When my uncle was buying Hugo Boss trousers and saying how great the Hugo Boss brand is I said "Hugo Boss designed the SS uniforms!"

Hey, those guys may have been privelaged killers, but they were fashion horses too. Under any other circumstance, I'd wear those clothes happily.

Hitler breathed Oxygen!!! Renounce your Nazi ways of OXYGEN!!!

This troper advises that any Australian atheists not vote for Victorian politician Peter Kavanagh if you disapprove of this trope. (In this case it was the age-old, demonstrably incorrect "atheism gave us Auschwitz" Godwin's law infringement.)

I wouldn't be worried about him getting in. If such a man was voted in, we'd be bought down to the level of Queensland.

I wear boots and am right wing, so encounter flack occasionally. I counter with the classic penned-on Hitler-stache, since satire usually works.

In disrespect of this trope, when someone in my class said Hitler hated disabled people (which was true), I said "I LOVE DISABLED PEOPLE."

During an arguement, this troper jokingly said that Obama was a great speaker and "You know who else was a great speaker? HITLER!" Someone replied by saying that they were sick of people constantly comparing people to Hitler, because he tried very hard to become the (second) most evil modern dictator, and we shouldn't devalue his efforts.

This troper's sister made an argument (mostly to annoy said troper) that Jack Skellington is an undead Hitler. What started this? My sister seeing my desktop screen that has Jack about to start "the Town Meeting Song". Her argument consists of Jack is a charismatic dude who can give good speeches and convinced {{Halloweentown}} to take over another holiday. I tried to argue back, but my sister can argue her way out of a paper bag.

.... Paper bags are pretty easy to get out of. That's the point of the expression.

I can't imagine ARGUING out of one would be easy.

This example is a toned down version not involving Hitler, but the principle remains. There's a popular urban legend at this troper's high school that the school was designed by somebody who designs prisons. The conclusion can thus be drawn that the school is meant to imprison innocent kids. Yes, we are required by law to be there, and yes, the stair towers would vaguely resemble guard towers if there was actually anybody keeping watch up there, but the school is actually nicer and newer than most public school buildings. Probably, the rumor is true - designing an institutional building is about the same job whether it's a prison or a school - but blown way out of context.

This troper's high school had the same rumor (and granted it did have many superficial similarities to the local prison, likely due to the nearby years of construction led to similar building materials and styles.) When a student brought this up to the principal, the principal replied, "well if you think about it, the designs have a similar purpose: to provide rooms to separate groups of people and to keep people from coming and leaving unnoticed. On a related note, the non-opening window design caused ventilation issues that kept us out of school much longer than would have been necessary otherwise when there a minor fire in the cafeteria kitchen, and the smell lingered on for a long time in certain rooms.

One time I was talking to a friend about her other personility "She wants to start drugs" Me:"But she could mess you up also" Her:"But she wants to." Me:"Hitler Did drugs, shes a Nazi." Oh the fact that one pernoilty is a lesbian and her outher is straight might be reivent.

This troper used to have a habit of humorously referring to people who disagree with him in non-serious matters as "commie fucks". Doing that in a serious debate, of course, would be extremely cheap and immature, not to mention communistic.

This Girl}} vegan troper wishes someone gave her a dollar for every time she heard Heard That One Before}} "Hitler was a vegetarian". First off, it's not true (numerous biographers have said that he enjoyed meat, and that his henchmen told the German people that he was a vegetarian to make him appear as peaceful as Gandhi). Secondly, so what if it was true? Hitler was also a man; does that mean being a man is evil? It makes no sense! I wish people would judge ideas based on their own merits....

On the reverse, I've encountered a net.loon on usenet who says Jesus was a vegetarian. Not true; he was a fisherman, of course.

What? He was a carpenter. A couple of his ''disciples'' were fishermen.

Actually, it is true. Hitler was a vegetarian for dietary reasons (meat didn't agree with him).

This troper had a girlfriend who liked BrotherSisterIncest. At one point, she was in a monologue, describing in detail sexual things she would like to do to a brother, though she thankfully lacked one. This troper, finding it mildly creepy, interupted. "Hitler liked incest too". It killed the moment, thankfully.

This troper was once poking fun at his mother (who is a librarian, and should know better) for reading ''Literature/{{Twilight}}''. When she made the claim that it's very popular, I felt compelled to point out that the Nazi party was also quite popular at one point.

On alt.native, there used to be this spammer, Ironjustice, who was always talking about the dangers of (you guessed it) too much iron, and she inverted it: She said "Jesus wsa a vegetarian." You know, the fisherman? I said "So were...those people who attack native hunting rights."

1) Jesus was a carpenter. 2) I've never met a single vegetarian who didn't eat fish. The consensus among them seems to be that "fish don't count."

A good but not particularly bright friend of mine argued against proportional representation by saying that it got Hitler into power. Cue facepalm.

This troper admits to sometimes eating sugar.

In my last year of high school choir, alot of the girls in the class wanted to use a LadyGaga(Who I despise) song in the final concert. At first, the teacher refused, but then they "wrote" a piano version of the music and he said he would let them do it because "they worked hard on it". I replied to my parents when talking about it "You know who else worked hard? HITLER!"

On an Evolutionism x Creationism discussion, someone once told me that "Hitler also supported evolution". A complete case of CriticalResearchFailure.

Editing Judgement aside, I (an atheist who values his privacy) compared God to a totalitarian dictator with all the "Worship me or I will smite you and punish you forever and ever" doctrines them fundamentalists are always shouting. And the conclusion was: God wants to be worshipped or he will send you to somewhere nasty. Hitler wants to be worshipped or else he will send you to somewhere nasty. Therefore, ''God is Adolf Hitler''. No, don't shout "HERESY" and kill me with fire!

This troper and her brother have a minor RunningGag that whoever brings up Hitler first in an argument automatically wins. Not by saying "You know who else X? HITLER!" It usually goes more along the lines of "Oh yeah, well, HITLER!"

This troper is wondering why there isn't a counter-trope called "Jesus drank Wine". I would make it...but I'm really bad at this sort of thing.

I added to the bottom of the trope page a remark about uniforms. It's been my experience that since HumansAreMorons, anything that even ''remotely'' resembles a German uniform, or even is a uniform someone just has never seen before, is automatically assumed to be Nazi or fascist in some way. Just a few of this troper's personal experiences:

Went to Comic Con one year as a Film/StarshipTroopers Sky Marshal. Got Nazi salutes and "seig heil" all day. *sigh* (Except from a squad of Mobile Infantry, who wanted their photo taken with me. At least ''somebody'' got it.)

Went to Comic Con the next year in another uniform, inspired by a British naval officer of the First World War. Someone came up to me and said, "Hey, you're cosplaying Hitler, right?" After sighing loudly, I said "what about my uniform would even ''remotely'' suggest to you that I'm supposed to be Hitler?" They looked me up and down, twice, then after a confused pause (I'll give them some credit for at least ''trying'' to think outside their box), pointed to my soul patch (I'm also a Elwood Blues impersonator) and said, "You have a Hitler BEARD." *facepalm*

Me and my friends had running jokes about ''completely mundane things'' and Hitler. "You know who else was human? HITLER! You know who else breathed air? HITLER!"

But... we all know Hitler was a robot from outer space. So the one about him being human is wrong, at least.