RealisticDictionIsUnrealistic
#107491
This Troper is often told, that she talks like a movie character. This is probably due to the fact that she spends more time writing than actually talking to people.
#107492
Explains why this troper's English essays and well, pretty much anything typed sounds considerably more eloquent than her rather lazy, stumbling, awkward-sounding, occasionally incoherent speech used in every day conversation.
#107493
Holy crap, are you me? I can write like no other, but when speaking out loud, I mumble, mush words together, speak way too quickly and have a hard time finding the right words.
#107494
This Troper took a oral communications class his senior year in high school and used on of his speeches for his writing portfolio in English. The teacher made a comment about this troper's overuse of commas, and he replied that those were his natural pauses since it was a speech he actually had to give (and hasn't mastered proper breathing techniques).
#107495
Speaking as a law student in Washington, D.C., this Troper can attest to the fact that, yes, we generally do talk like that, to at least some degree. Musicians know how to jam, fishermen know how to cast a line, and lawyers and politicians know how to speak extemporaneously and coax intended responses from our audiences.
#107496
I have a tendency to repeat myself often, due to the fact that I often talk faster than I think and it's kinda annoying. It's kinda like a stutter- but I'm also prone to skipping subjects when I'm in the middle of something because my brain'll catch up kinda like a rubber band... thing and... skip... Um. So... stuff. I can also forget really... uhhhhh... not-complex words while being exceedingly loquacious and prone to tons of hyperbole at the same time. Sometime I tenta mash words and sounds together, but not all the time. I'm also kind of... weird on what I do mash together as well. S'not always the same stuff. I also repeat myself. - Lady B
#107497
Speaking as a law student in Philadelphia, this Troper can attest that we also have classes that stress the need to be able to give extemporaneous speeches. During trials, several jurisdictions allow the plaintiff to give two closings. The first closing is the prepared closing that we have written, rewritten, practiced and memorized. After we give that, the defense gives their closing and the plaintiff can give the redirect closing or second closing. This is done completely off-the-cuff with no time to prepare, since it is supposed to be used to rebut the arguments made by the defense on their closing. In a trial competition, I actually was given better marks on my redirect closing. Apparently, the judges felt that my first closing was shaky and unfocused (which is most likely a result of me trying to remember what I had written) but my redirect closing was thought to be stronger and more tightly organized (which is a shock as I had no idea what the next words out of my mouth would be throughout the entire speech). As the troper above me said, lawyers know how to speak extemporaneously.
#107498
On several occasions, this troper has earnestly said something, then thought to herself "If I was an actor, that would be really bad acting."
#107499
This troper has been writing for nigh onto ten years, so speaking like this is second nature (though there ''are'' long pauses before she actually opens her mouth).
#107500
This troper can't talk in three way conversations because he likes to wait until everyone is done talking and there's always one person who will interrupt the last syllable of the other person. Proof that TV can make you polite. There's an exception with his film crew, interestingly enough: We can have TV-like complex dialog without interrupting each other.
#107501
This troper used to suppress her- well, it can't really be called an accent- er, substantial vocabulary at school, because even ''teachers'' couldn't understand her at times. She often obsessively phrases and rephrases her online comments, so she doesn't sound pretentious, even though that's just the ways she speaks. Unfortunately, this sometimes backfires, and she ends up sounding ''more'' pretentious.
#107502
This troper is a writer and has a very fast-working brain, so he can come up with his responses on the fly, sometimes planning out an entire conversation in his head before he begins it, allowing him to know every response and counter-response as he walks up to talk to someone. On that note, his brain works so fast, he has been typing this entire paragraph without pausing even once except to correct minor spelling errors. Everything is being written on the fly.
#107503
This troper does that too. It annoys his friends because he always wins in arguments.
#107504
It happens to this Troper, as well. Or maybe everyone around her is extremely predictable, but anyway, it can turn conversations into something akin to mental tree diagrams.
#107505
My boyfriend is like that, and doesn't help that this troper isn't very good at arguments, only after the argument is done that she is able to formulate a counter argument. I think its because I'm somewhat of an artist and thinks in pictures while my boyfriend is a writer. Boyfriend thinks its cute when I can't win arguments.
#107506
This troper is like this. The annoying thing is that everyone I know uses either a ChewbaccaDefense or NonSequiturs in their arguments, and I can still predict this.
#107507
The troper who wrote the original post here would like to say that he's been compared to Edward Cullen by a ''Twilight'' addict because he speaks with such large words and a far more complex sentence structure that seems influenced more by higher-class society than the usual high schooler, who's practically like a neanderthal compared to him. And yes, this paragraph was also written completely on the fly. Suck it, frat boys.
#107508
This troper would like to say this; everyone writes 'on the fly', as you put it. It's pretty much spontaneity, and one of the things that's a fundamental part of speech and humanity. Your bragging about not planning anything and writing without planning is nothing to be proud of, when it's just something pretty much every other damn human on the planet does. At a guess,you think that you're so clever that you can say things without planning. Fact is, that's just how life works. So well done on doing something most of the world's population can do. you must be so proud that you're so unique, Troper. And being compared to Edward Cullen, too? My, such an accolade.
#107509
This troper is indeed very impressed with all of your "on the fly" skills. You mean you don't sit down to record and review every word of casual conversation like the rest of us mere neanderthals? Good lord. Fetch the smelling salts. My primitive brain might just have over-heated.
#107510
Bravo, good Troper. Bravo.
#107511
This Troper studied anthropology, which is really more about listening than speaking, but on those occasions where he's been required to lecture he tends to overrun. This is always achieved without preparation and usually without any actual knowledge of the subject... but then, if you can think quickly enough to talk coherently, you can think quickly enough to make up subject matter.
#107512
This troper structures her normal sentences like she does her public speeches when under stress.
#107513
This Troper finds it somewhat amusing that she talks more like a fictional characters than her characters, who all have very distinct speech patterns but (a large number of them, anyway) seem to have no brain/mouth barrier.
#107514
This troper used to talk like this because she read so much when she was younger, but when her friends couldn't understand some of her vocabulary and when she realized that the way she talked didn't sound like the way everyone else talked, she actually degenerated her speech and now actually sounds pretty slow. Her friends are amazed when they find out she gets straight A's in her honors and AP classes.
#107515
When this troper gets into his vein, his speech becomes a tirade of long words, exagerrated metaphors, complex rhetorical devices, and obscure quotations. The funny thing is, this is all in normal conversation. When he makes prepared speeches, they often end up painfully "realistic".
#107516
This other troper does that too. In spontaneous conversation, he just goes on and on with incredibly unrealistic monologues. After a while no one is paying attention, or the troper forgot where he was going with the monologue, so he stops abruptly and tries to change the topic. And it's really annoying when nobody gets the references and quotations.
#107517
Maybe I watch too much television, but the way this troper talks is full with rhetoric figures, monologues, metaphors, and a complex structure that makes me sound like a TV characer. Unfortunely, that made me a very obvious acceptable target...
#107518
This Troper has been an example, aversion, and example of this again. He started out with some serious speech pacing issues, requiring him to go to speech therapy to learn ho to converse properly, though this still left him using placeholders and pauses. In his high-school freshman US History class, the teacher held competitions, where volunteers would be given a random topic, and would have to speak on that topic for as long as they could without placeholders, pausing for more than three seconds, repetition, or other bad habits (added as students overused them in their speeches). This taught him to speak clearly and with a perceptible flow, which (bolstered by speech-giving and debate classes) lasted for quite some time before relaxing into a fairly normal speech pattern. Now, after graduating college, this troper is known for how often he pauses/stops and restarts a sentence/flubs a word/placeholders, and is seriously considering retraining himself to speak clearly and without pause...
#107519
This Troper, who currently lives in Massachusetts, is a non-native English speaker, and was first exposed to English via books and her mother (who was first exposed to English via her father's literature collection). Consequently, this troper often finds it easier to use the "ten-dollar-word" in English in order to maintain her American accent and her train of thought.
#107520
I get absurdly loquacious when embarassed. Which can lead to questions being asked which, if written, would probably take up at least two paragraphs if written - and that's deliberately -not- speaking in any sort of colloquial manner, but just plain being overly complicated. This seems to be intended by my brain to avoid embarrassment by being absolutely clear about what I mean - but of course, since everyone forgets the start of the question by the time I have got to the end of it, it doesn't help.
#107521
Holy wow was that a convoluted sentence. (Two of them, even!)
#107522
I actually speak like I type online, with some differences due to articulation and other speech problems. Either way, this was best highlighted when my dad and I went to a play, and afterwards, he said it sounded like everyone was talking like me. This was a play done in the 1820s. That was rather awkward to find out.
#107523
This Troper learned to read very early, and read voraciously afterwards. As a result, I know what nearly any word thrown at me means, and how to spell it, but I cannot pronounce anything worth a bat's dos. An infamous example that came up when my English class was reading "Mice and Men": "awry" pronounced as "aww-ree" rather than the standard "awrye". I still see it that way and pronounce it as such in my head. Stupid ambiguous ys!
#107524
I have a tendency to switch between just short of SesquipedalianLoquaciousness and terse sentence fragments. My mode of speaking is largely dependent on my confidence and emotional state.
#107525
Not once in my life have I ever edited a single essay, rewritten the paragraghs or otherwise used a draft copy in preparing schoolwork, lab reports or presenting lessons and speeches, often writing multi page essays (including references) with no more prep than sitting down. Despite this I regularly score firsts with said work and find that I teach better when I only have a general idea of what I plan to discuss rather than a detailed plan. Granted 3 years in a drama group that stressed improv theatre and spending 2 years as a missionary (which included being able to teach a detailed 45 minute lesson to a total stranger tailored to their needs) has helped somewhat.
#107526
This troper has Asperger's Syndrome. I tend to speak in a way that's almost unrealistically grammatically correct. However, I actually invert this trope more than using it straight. I'm grammatically sound, but I tend to make egregious use of ellipses in dialogue.
#107527
DickRichardson - In his opinion, unless stammering, overt usages of slang, bad accents, shouting, and general mumbling is ''really, really'' well done, it usually comes off as somewhat awkward (unless in small bursts to show a character's generally odd). This, of course, is meant for literature. Film is obviously better about it.
#107528
When this latin american troper was a preschooler, he'd invert this trope by always talking in a grammatically perfect, perfectly pronunciated spanish... in a country not exactly known for it's good spanish. To make matters worse, having this perfect grammar and pronunciation made him have a little of an spaniard-mexican accent, which made him the main target at his school. After 6 years of bullying because of his ways to speak, he can say his speech is definitely one of the worst at school, yet his writing is still grammatically perfect and neatly spelled.
#107529
This troper is now writing in the way that she talks. One minute, I converse exceptionally finely, but... we-well, you... I-- you see, I... well, my brain tends to sk... [-skipple-dee-dipple...-] skip a brain groove sometimes and... especially when I'm stressed or di-- distracted... [--and I mumble...--] Someth-''imes'' I put ''the'' wrong accent in a sen''tain''ce when I know I'm saying ther-- wrong thing, almost making it sound as if I'm loosing my American one. Sometimes, I feel as if I'm really more eloquent in gibberish. GIBOOBLEH-SHNOTZ. Narfurgle gibboo na''trinkle!'' (pause) '''''AAH!!!''''' Sorry, where was I? It was almost as if the electrical workings in my mind have gone through some kind of short-circuit... @@Now I know why David Graham gave Brains that stutter of his...@@
#107530
Thanks for demonstrating exactly why this trope isn't widely used.
#107531
Actually, that was awesome. And Skadrii now really wants to see a character in fiction who talks like that.
#107532
You Speak in potholes? Impressive!
#107533
My brain tends to work quickly, and thus I can talk more eloquently than most people... or would be able to do so, except for the fact that, well, my brain tends to work quicker than my ''mouth'', and when my mouth tries to catch up with it, I end up totally mangling the sentence structure. Or just the words themselves. Fun, right?
#107534
I do that too - I can plan out a beautiful sentence which gets lost in a stammering, cotton-mouthed delivery. Having an overly large tongue and a small mouth doesn't help.
#107535
YANA. It's bloody frustrating to have well-chosen words mangled by one's own mouth. When I can spit them out. This happens a lot when I'm talking to people I want to watch my words with; the authorities, vips, crushes...
#107536
This troper also has this problem! She tends to speak rather fast, but even then usually can't keep up with her own thoughts. When you add the fact that she has speech patterns that aren't exactly normal (archaic isn't the right word, but in certain scenarios, it's close enough,) and a tendency to go on and on... Ugh.
#107537
I have a recording of myself when I was younger delighting over my inability to pronoune 'remember'. "Can't amember...can't amember...mamamamama....babababa...."
#107538
This troper can speak so eloquently that some of his friends have taken to writing down what he says. On the other hand, I frequently employ my vocabulary of several hundred different grunts. It's eh, but hmm. Snuheh.
#107539
I'm currently in rehearsals for The Taming of The Shrew, in which I'm playing Tranio. For comedic effect I'm playing him with a stutter. Not sure if anyone's ever tried that with Shakespeare. I'll let you know how it works out.
#107540
Skadrii actually speaks to a great extent the way he writes in prose, since he gained most of his vocabulary and sentence structure by reading books. Okay, so sometimes his pronunciation is off since he's only ever seen the word in question written down, but it's generally okay except for those times when he loses his...
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#107544
... train of thought and abruptly trails off, leaving a long and awkward pause while the other person waits for him to give the train a green signal, whereupon it continues more or less exactly where it left off. He's also wordy.
#107545
This Troper has an absolute loathing for dialogue written in high English without justification (such as the character being a fanatical reader, law student, living in the nineteenth century, or at /least/ receiving comment from other characters) and was blown up at when, while editing a short story for a friend, she pointed out that a five-year-old American girl speaking like a classically educated Englishman (born and raised in Oxford in a house built entirely of thesauruses and beatings) in an impromptu, page-long monologue was "a tad unrealistic." She ceased editing for said friend shortly thereafter. As such, she writes characters in a manner that reflects how she hears herself and others speak; pronounced pauses, obscured meanings, grammatical fuckery, meaningful nonsense, an' tidgy gibberish-slang included. This is usually interpreted as her not knowing proper English, and edited into the same voice as her narration when it leaves her hands. Oy vey.
#107546
Okay, I just have to say this: "a house built entirely of thesauruses and beatings" is possibly the most awesome phrase I have ever heard.
#107547
Well, er, uhhhhh...uhmmm...I...tend to talk kinda...like this? With other people, ya know? Let's just say that, well, basically, uhhhh...uhh...my brain farts a lot midsentence and stuff and ... holy shit i need to transfer this page from written to typed. {{Valbinooo}} is terrible at talking out loud, but quite eloquent when typing.
#107548
This troper has a very broad vocabulary, but speaks with a strong Southern accent that she has desperately tried to rid herself of, but to no avail. This leads to very awkward verbal conversations, however, her writing is unaffected. Some of her friends even make a game out of guessing the meaning of something she says.
#107549
My nephews tend to repeat a random word or phrase several times in the middle of sentences, probably because they're still formulating the thought. It's gotten to the point where if they do it more than twice each in five minutes I start interrupting them to say, "Decide what you're going to say, ''then'' say it."
#107550
Kind of with this troper. I used to do this when younger, but like many others on this page, my friends didn't understand just what the hell I was saying. So I toned it down, and now I'm a total ValleyGirl when I talk. I when I type out troper tales or my blog, it comes out with all of these commas and ums. I still think with the same vocabulary, somewhat toned down, but it comes all out for essays in my classes. So much that my teacher thought that my parents were helping me (that was an awkward conversation~)
#107551
This troper's teacher took advantage of this by typing out how we answered her questions exactly how we said them. Only a few answers managed to stay up because of speech mannerisms. This troper's answer was recorded as, "Um, well, it's like...wait a sec, let me check...''([Troper] takes out her folder to cheat)'' ...Okay, um, never mind...I dunno."
#107552
Moving along, she tends to avert this in her writing, with BuffySpeak abound and sometimes characters spacing out mid-sentence.
#107553
This troper prefers to avert this in his writing, using a lot of contractions and words that people say that aren't really words, like "gonna" and "'cuz" and such. I suppose you could call it dialect, but it's not quite that. Plus he tends to have people (trail off/cut other people off) since that's what (he/people he knows) tend to do.
#107554
I have this bad case of doubling doubling every...er...just about every word-d I say with friends or, or with public...er...in public. It rarely appears (but...but it does!) in my writing, but ArcWords take over. Those forsaken ArcWords...they invade my manuscripts with full force!